It just makes sense to manufacture in China

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  1. garyd

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    So China slave it is huh? More Americans on food stamps because they won't work for peanuts and Chinese prison labor trump's paying Americans an honest wage.
     
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    I thought the Chinese were going to take over and that it was deterministic and unstoppable.

    It's easy to see who China has bought or at least who is on their team

    COLLUSION: U.S. Colleges Have Accepted $6 Billion in Concealed Donations from Foreign Governments, DOE Probe Finds.

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    The investigation was spurred by increasing reports of Lying Outlaw Chinese funding at U.S. educational institutions, including the prevalence of Confucius institutes on U.S. campuses. Confucius institutes are Lying Outlaw Chinese-government funded centers which ostensibly promote Chinese language and culture, but which U.S. agencies have warned spread propaganda for Lying Outlaw China’s government.

    Some Institutions of Higher Education leaders are starting to acknowledge the threat of foreign academic espionage and have been working with federal law enforcement to address concealment of funding the letter from the DoE’s Office of the General Counsel reports.

    “However, the evidence suggests massive investments of foreign money have bred dependency and distorted the decision-making, mission, and values of too many institutions.”​

    Translation: They are OWNED. They no longer are in our service, they are in the service of their Lying Outlaw China paymasters.

    “Certain institutions have yet to produce requested emails, metadata, and other information regarding business relationships with, and faculty funding from, Chinese, Middle Eastern, and Russian foreign sources.”​

    Have you tried a pre-dawn paramilitary type raid, like was conducted on Roger Stone?
     
  3. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    US manufacturers are in the private sector and are not managed by government. Government is mostly ignorant people turning to others to provide information and suggestions in a 100% political setting. Government can determine zoning, and regulations, and protection of workers, and taxation but not how the actual business operates. The business owner decides where to produce, who to hire, where to buy materials, where to market/sell. This can include outsourcing of final products and/or subassembly products. A place like China, or India, or Europe, or South America, etc. has tens of millions, and billions, consumers so many times it makes sense to have full US operations in these areas. Company A must compete with Company B and Company International, so all of them are constantly searching for the best prices and best quality and best production. Bottom line is running global businesses is complex and competitive and all the processes in place today are solely about competing and survival. Everything Trump says is misguided and a lie so what private business is going to listen to him?
     
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    Further proof that democrats have sold out blue collar workers, and no wonder they voted for trump.
     
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    Yep. He fooled them, and they were ready to be fooled.
     
  6. Zorro

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    And yet, the American People want to do much LESS business with Lying Outlaw China and too many on the Left are either in the pay of the Chinese Communists or happily parrot their line on issue, after issue, after issue.

    Your thesis seems to be, "it's your own fault" so what is YOUR objection to our nation changing course?
     
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    That's a lot of words to say: "Orange Man Bad!"
     
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    Compared to the democrats crapping all over them.
    “TPP is the gold standard of trade deals.”-Shillary Clinton
     
  9. gringo

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    changing course?? you gotta be kidding me..with trump it is full steam ahead...send the business out of the country

    only a fool believes trump will change the course of international trade

    the minute trump moved into the Whitehouse he began kissing the ass of foreign leaders

    he kisses the ass of the Chinese every day ..

    but first he brushes his dentures to get the smell of putin's ass off his breath ..

    remember the story about Ivankas cuck Jared and his real estate deals with china ??

    he offered USA citizenship to Chinese nationals if they would invest in his families properties

    has Trump or Ivanka announced they will stop making their products in china??

    has Ivanka announced she will surrender her 13 Chinese patents and have her clothes Made in USA??

    has trump put any pressure on Tim Apple to return the IPhone production to the USA??

    when trump or his family begin take action instead of spew BS maybe I will listen

    all trump does is give lip service to his cult and they eat it up and say "the hell with china"

    in the meantime China , Russia and a few others are playing trump like a fiddle

    BTW the middle eastern country Qtar bailed ivankas cuck Jared out with a billion dollars

    and you think trump is gonna change course??

    WAKE UP!! trump is all talk and no action
     
  10. dairyair

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    Obama wasn't around when most of the jobs were lost.

    NAFTA has been criticized for taking U.S. jobs. While it has also done good things for the economy, the North American Free Trade Agreement has six weaknesses. These disadvantages had a negative impact on both American and Mexican workers and even the environment.


    manufacturing industries withdrew part of their production from the high-cost United States. Between 1994 and 2010, the U.S. trade deficits with Mexico totaled $97.2 billion. In the same period, 682,900 U.S. jobs went to Mexico. But 116,400 of those jobs were displaced after 2007.1 The 2008 financial crisis could have caused them instead of NAFTA.


    Almost 80% of the losses were in manufacturing. The hardest-hit states were California, New York, Michigan, and Texas. They had high concentrations of the industries that moved plants to Mexico. These industries included motor vehicles, textiles, computers, and electrical appliances.2
    https://www.thebalance.com/disadvantages-of-nafta-3306273

    Reasons for Decline
    The biggest reason for the decline is a shift to a service-based economy. Banking and other financial services began growing after 1999 when Congress repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, and the healthcare sector has also grown. Healthcare was 5% of the economy in 1960, but by 2018, it was up to 18%. In 1965, the government began subsidizing hospital costs when it created Medicare and Medicaid, which was one reason for rising health care costs. Health care services also responded to the aging baby boomer generation.
    https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-manufacturing-what-it-is-statistics-and-outlook-3305575

    And the Great Recession started before he ever took office.
     
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    Only a fool ignores hard facts. The three months of this year our trade deficit is DOWN by over 28%

    https://www.census.gov/econ/current...adjusted=1&submit=GET+DATA&releaseScheduleId=

    And our top trading partners are now
    Mexico at 15.3%
    Canada at 14.9%
    China at 10.1%

    Same time in 2017 it was
    Canada at 15.3%
    China at 14.9%
    Mexico at 14.5%

    So total trade is down and China's share of it is down sharply. Only a fool would look at that and scream "NO CHANGE!"

    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1703yr.html

    Where did you ever get that idea that vulgarity is a substitute for intelligently making your point?
     
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    :roflol:

    Yep. We sure showed them. :)

    New York (CNN)A major 11-country agreement goes into effect Sunday, reshaping trade rules among economic powerhouses like Japan, Canada, Mexico and Australia — but the United States won't be a part of it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/29/politics/tpp-trade-trump/index.html
     
  13. ronv

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    Still cherry picking data I see.
     
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    Of course the first 3 months trade with China is down. There has been a pandemic!! China’s trade with the entire world is down ..

    And yes using vulgarity is wrong when making a point...but since your idol and hero trump refuses to apologize when being vulgar I will use his standards ..my point was being made toward trump defenders. . Trumpers seem to understand and accept vulgar language ..but I guess it is only accepted when it is trump referring to women as horseface or pigs and cows and other barnyard animals .. or when he refers to his rivals as losers or human scum .. or when he goes on national TV during the GOP debates and talks about how big his hands are insinuating he has a big dick.
    A trump supporter being offended with vulgar language is not gonna fly.

    As stated.

    When trump and his family personally stop doing business with China then I will see action not just hear lies
     
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    We made bad trade pacts with countries like Mexico and China. Didn't hold them to a basic min. wage or any regulations. Then Obama raised taxes on business to the highest in the industrial world and poured on near record regulations. American industry couldn't compete with conditions like that, so factories moved and took our good jobs with them.


    In a race to the finish, Obama administration presses ahead ...
    www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-a-race-to-the...
    As the future Trump administration begins to take shape, the Obama White House is engaged in a frenzied, final effort to put in place as many new rules and regulations as time allows.



    20,642 New Regulations Added in the Obama Presidency
    www.dailysignal.com/2016/05/23/20642-new...
    More than $22 billion per year in new regulatory costs were imposed on Americans last year, pushing the total burden for the Obama years to exceed $100 billion annually.



    The U.S. Has the Highest Corporate Income Tax Rate in the ...
    https://taxfoundation.org/us-has-highest-corporate-income-tax-rate-oecd
    In today’s globalized world, U.S. Corporations are increasingly at a competitive disadvantage. They currently face the highest statutory corporate income tax rate in the world at 39.1 percent. This overall rate is a combination of our 35 percent federal rate and the average rate levied by U.S. States.
     
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    Your link didn't give the rate increase you claim OBAMA did.

    And, our corps don't actually pay that rate. They get subsidies and credits.
    If any corp paid those actual rates, they'd be out of business because they have a terrible accountant and don't take advantage of tax breaks.

    GE for years, paid no income taxes.

    For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much.

    "Simplify, eliminate loopholes, treat everybody fairly," Obama said in February.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558
     
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    You can either have cheap stuff and low paying jobs.

    Or you can have higher priced items and good paying jobs.

    What you can't have is a much median income and cheap products.
     
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    Here's the example I give people:
    Imagine paying your own son $5 to mow your lawn.
    You can pay someone else $3 to mow the lawn, but then you will have to pay your son an allowance. In such a situation, it might just make more sense to pay your own son. It will end up being less expensive for you, in overall totality of the situation, even though the upfront price is more.

    Now there were a lot of good-paying jobs in the manufacturing industry that have since disappeared (i.e. been moved off to another country).
     
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    So it makes more sense to manufacture products in China while America becomes a service economy. We go from a manufacturing giant to a bunch of toilet cleaners, bankers, and lawn care experts. Wow, talk about progress.
     
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    And to make things complete we give illegals the service jobs.
     
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    Let's not forget, there were many higher level engineering jobs that went along with these manufacturing industries. Today those engineering jobs are gone along with the rest of the manufacturing.

    I could tell several anecdotal stories about engineers I've talked to who had to train their replacements in India and China before they were later left unemployed late in what would have been their careers.
     
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    Manufacturing in China makes perfect sense in the short term for business. In the end there are likely to be consequences over the long term to do business with a powerful country trying to destroy you and replace you as the planetary super power. Doing business with enemies is often consequential.
     
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    Bit of a stretch I'd say..

    A U.S. law passed in 2019 that prohibits universities hosting Confucius Institutes from receiving funding for Chinese language studies from the Department of Defense led to more closures of Confucius Institutes

    Currently there are over 480 Confucius Institutes operating on 6 continents around the world, 5 are located in California (San Francisco State University, San Diego State University, UC Davis, Stanford University and UCLA).

    So el zero is blowing up over 5 closed California Confucius institutes...

    Wow, what a threat! That doesn't exist.....
     
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    The US has been a service economy since Reagan, where in the hell have you been?
     
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    This is why free trade should be restricted to countries that have labor and environmental regulations on par or better than the US.

    Free trade with countries like Mexico and China was always going to lead to outsourcing.
     
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