It looks like Jewish people are being thrown under the bus

the left is against anyone of any religion that tries to take religious freedom away and turn us into a theocracy, the left supports the constitutional right of all American to believe as they wish as long as it doesn't harm others

 

yep, the ultimate in white privilege, its not too late, if youve got stacks of benjamins to pay your way in.

 

Maybe, but they seem a whole lot infinitely more enthusiastic about it when it involves not believing in Christianity.

Meanwhile, over in Europe, the ultimate culmination of Progressivism (so to speak) we can already see the beginnings of the Left siding with the religion of Islam, in some ways which are not entirely consistent with the concept of religious freedom and legal separation from religious issues. I'm pretty sure some double standards exist, and this alleged support for "religious freedom" is at least partially about an animus against Christianity in particular.

Sorry to get off-topic here.

 

maybe because it's only Christians trying to turn this country into a theocracy right now, if some Muslims tried the same, we would be just as against them doing so - the only difference is Christians would be right there beside us then

 

Re:

Probably out of necessity, Germany's WW 2 military was the most ethnically diverse military in modern history(1) since they were with few exceptions almost always vastly outnumbered and fighting a war on 3 different fronts.

It is also rarely admitted that about 150,000 Jews served in Hitler's military(2) with many of those Jews reaching Germany's highest ranks and earning Germany's highest military Honors with Hitler's full knowledge and consent.

An even more heavy repressed fact you won't frequently find in MSM is that there were many high ranking Jewish members of Germany's National Socialist party(3).

Because of the diverse nature of Germany's WW 2 military, it is highly unlikely that any German division was exclusively led and/or comprised any one ethnic/national/religious group whether it was Muslim, Jewish, Slavic or other group.

As far as a friendliness between Germany and the Turks, I was in Turkey and remember seeing railroad ties and functioning steam locomotives that were stamped "KRUPP 1911"

Thanks,


(1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor."CONTINUED


(2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


(3) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED

 

all of these statements are 100% false.

most so-called "Jews" who served in the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe were NOT Jewish according to German or even Jewish law. They were 1/4 Jews on their fathers side.

Only a VERY small number of actual true Jews served in the military.

There were NO real Jews who were high ranking members of the Nazi party.

this is nothing but fake news and propaganda to whitewash the Nazis and their murderous hatred.

 

Prove it.

I can support my assertions with these and other numerous credible sources while all you can do is regurgitate the same hate filled anti German propaganda that's been poured into your head by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry - Lobby(1), (2) & its. complicit MSM for decades.

Why would any thinking person believe the same influential Holocaust Industry & Allied atrocity propagandists who lied about "human skin pocketbooks", "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads, "Conveyor belts of Death"(3), fictitious electrocution chambers, steam chambers, gas chambers and even a "human vaporizer"(4)?

Finally, there is absolutely no hard evidence that Hitler ordered the mass extermination of anyone either in writing(5) or in intercepted, secret German radio transmissions(6).



(1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”
CONTINUED


(3) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


(4) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


(5) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


(6). “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED

 

Why should any religious belief get a "priority"?
How should that "priority" be expressed?

 

Precisely!

The only honest way to reduce racial / ethnic discord is equal treatment, not prioritizing the demands and expectations of any one racial / ethnic group.

Generally speaking, when you've received prioritized treatment for so long, equality feels like persecution.

 

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So all they did was round up innocent Jewish citizens, strip them from their homes, possessions, communities and lives, and force them into work camps without regard for familial ties, where they died in mass from starvation and disease? This to you is okay because it could have been worse? Who does this to those for whom they have regard and respect...and to what end? Are you suggesting that we should all hope for such a blessing of poverty, hopelessness, despair and death? Were the tattooed numbers they received in place of their names something to celebrate, like a formal acceptance into an exclusive club with armed security?

 

please dont respond to his derails, they are irrelevent to the OP.

 

The Holocaust was the worst genocide.

Severe as the problems we face in 2020 may be, nothing compares to WWII.

 

In comparison to the Holocaust all problems we face in 2020 seem trivial. That was the worst genocide.

There have been natural disasters of similar scale.

When I read the story of someone handicapped after a car accident, I understood that it is sacrilegious to view my Autism as suffering or disability.

 

Re:

No, the scenario as you described it is not OK if it were an accurate accounting of what really happened and if you exclude salient background information.

Regrettably, what many Americans have been led to believe about the holocaust is the product of Allied atrocity propaganda via Hollywood(1) and fraudulent Holocaust Industry disinformation. In other words, the impressions that most Americans have of the over hyped holocaust have been shaped by melodramatic Hollywood fiction, fraudulent "personal accounts"(2) and a corrupt, global, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry - Lobby that even cheats the holocaust survivors it claims to serve.

According to impartial Red Cross inspections and reports, the Germans did the best they could to run clean, humane, healthy and efficient correctional facilities that included genuine criminal rapists, murderers, pedophiles and other real or perceived threats to the state.

On the other hand, the Red Cross was not allowed anywhere near Stalin's gulags or Eisenhower's real death camps where inmates had no shelter, medical care and rarely ever food.

The primary cause of death in the German run camps was either disease or natural causes, not deliberate starvation(3) fictitious homicidal steam, electrocution or gas chambers.

Since the function of the German run work camps was production of war material, it was in their best interest was to keep those who could work as healthy and content as possible.

For example:

"Auschwitz maternity ward"(4)
EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.
* Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED(3)



Do the Jewish inmates, above, look like they've been sadistically beaten, starved and tortured?

Finally, I do not wish to derail this thread but simply wanted to respond to your Post.

If you would like to continue to discuss the holocaust, we can do so at an appropriate thread such as:
"About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-78

Thanks,



(1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


(2) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


(3) “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/

EXCERPT “Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED

(4) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

 

The women in the photo look like such criminals.

 

It seems a given that Republicans are staunch supporters of Israel. So why do so many Jewish Americans vote Democrat? Is it a self destructive trait or are there dynamics at play beyond my generalizations.

 

things like "blood and soil, jews will not replace us" - fine people? - probably does not help the right

 

Disaffected people do nor define anyone but themselves. Republicans, from party leaders on down to the base, harbor no more bigotry than anyone else. However if Jewish Americans associate oddballs with Republicans and ignore the general rule that Republicans support Israel, then it is an unforced error in judgment.

 

the religious right only wants Israel to complete the prophecy, once they do that, they couldn't care less about them

 

There may be some truth to that. But someone who wants you and your nation to persevere is somewhat more than another who merely wants your vote.

 

yep, so if Israel was smart, they would never complete the mythical prophecy