It wasn't a hoax

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    We shall see. I try not to draw conclusions prematurely, but Real Clear Investigations has a pretty good track record.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do I get you to understand a candidate for the office of prez encouraging the dissemination of material illegally stolen by the GRU, an agent of Russia.......our enemy, from an American political party to further Putin's goal of damaging Clinton's campaign and furthering Trump's...........doesn't have to be illegal for it to found to be such a treacherous act as to be prohibitive of support for said candidate?

    The Roger Stone trial is no longer just about Roger Stone.

    Despite the profane Stone texts and caustic friendships that have dominated chatter about the case, the Republican provocateur’s court battle will likely be remembered for something far different: It revealed that Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign aides knew more about WikiLeaks’ plans than they have let on, and the president may have later misled Robert Mueller about it.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/12/roger-stone-trial-donald-trump-wikileaks-070368
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet you have an intimate relationship with implication and innuendo.
     
  4. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not sure whom you are addressing. I never voted for Trump.
     
  5. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nope. I just let the chips fall where they may.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    What Trump did with respect to Wikileaks may not have been illegal but lying to Mueller was.

    Buried amid days of blasphemy and bombast were quieter new details that collectively showed Trump and his aides discussed WikiLeaks with Stone months earlier than anyone has acknowledged. The revelations have immediately raised questions about Trump’s claims — made months later under oath to the special counsel — that he did not recall any such conversations with Stone.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

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    Hah, good one.
     
  8. Jack Hays

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    Then he should be prosecuted.
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    You mistake your own biases for objectivity.
     
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    - How can I get you to understand you say .. followed by a blinding assumed premise fallacy .. of the most Orwellian kind - parroting a the Blue Propaganda narrative ...

    How the information was obtained is irrelevant - Ruled so by the Judge in "DNC" vs Trump and the Russians - in rather scathing fashion.

    In this case .. The information was very relevant to the election .. one of the candidates was dirty .. and this information was fuel on Dirty Hillary's all consuming fire.

    Trump had an obligation to get this information out .. a benefit to all voters it was - to know the Dirty Deeds of Hillary/DNC prior to the election.

    You have it all backwards mate -- Blue claiming our electoral process was hurt in an Orwellian doublespeak fiesta - and you are still drinking that kool-aid .. despite having this conversation numerous times.
     
  11. Lee Atwater

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    Made very difficult by Trump's arrangement with Stone by which Stone withheld crucial info about contacts with Wikileaks in return for a pardon.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry that you found the facts hard to read.
     
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    you got it reversed again.. I addressed what you claimed were facts... Donald had every right .. and in fact an Obligation to get the information on Dirty Hillary/DNC out to the Public prior to the election.

    Should the electorate not know about the Dirty deeds of a candidate prior to voting ?

    Thems the facts that you find so hard to read mate ... such that all you can respond with is the above silliness.
     
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    The info was stolen by a foreign adversary. If you don't understand the duplicitous nature of what he did I can't help you.
     
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    Doesn't matter where the information came from .. Judge ruled -- DNC vs Trump and the Russians - no harm no foul in recieving such information .. and vigrously so .. in defense of freedom of speech - Press - Information.

    Trump didn't do anything duplicitous .. We don't even know if Trump was infolved in the actual transfer of the info to WIKI .. but even if he was .. all perfectly legal.

    Trump is a Patriot for any efforts to get information on Hillary/DNC dirty deeds out to the public.

    Answer the question -- Should the electorate not know about the Dirty deeds of a candidate prior to voting ?

    Is it a stumper Lee .. "does not compute .. does not compute" ? or are you just avoiding once again ..
     
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    DOJ COVERUP: Durham Court Filing Reveals DOJ Inspector General Horowitz Withheld Key Evidence From Special Counsel.
    Sounds like some one is singing.
    Keep digging.
     
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    I have no idea who is responsible for the writing in green, but they might want to check Durham’s supplemental filing to the court.

    He, Durham, admitted he was aware of the device Horowitz possessed or simply he had to correct the record. Rather than IG Horowitz withholding information it was Durham’s incompetence, he “forgot”.

    The “withholding information” angle is complete and total bullshit. It’s just another in the long line of blunders, misrepresentations, and plain incompetence that makes one wonder if the once respected prosecutor had fallen down a rabbit hole prior to accepting the job. The sheer incompetence is certainly suggesting that appearance.

    Just a note. There’s a cost to download from a service but you’re better off reading the filings yourself than relying what we call the “press” these days. No matter what investigation you may find of interest there is a lot of manipulation of information or to be kind “misunderstanding” of information. One could hold the notion that some “news” outlets are operating as PR firms.
     
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    ...Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.

    That is actually comical given what we know today.
     
  20. Jack Hays

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    It looks like he has no cards to show. While we prefer to see results, perhaps the scope can inspire confidence. Perhaps.
     
  22. Jack Hays

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    I think he has what he needs. To quote Mark Twain: "It is wonderful to observe the calm confidence of a Christian with four aces."
     
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    I low how the first sentence of your post is an actual meme of the left: yes, yes, this is not, in fact, true--but it speaks to a greater truth.

    At the end of the day, there was no Trump-Russia collusion.
     
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    Perhaps he didn't recall such conversations. I am about his age and I forget things all the time. It is the most troublesome part of getting old for me.
     
  25. Lee Atwater

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    Durham better hope deuces are wild.
     

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