It wasn't a hoax

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Clinton campaign had no involvement in initiating the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation. Neither did the dossier. It was initiated due to US officials becoming aware of Papadopoulos' meeting with Mifsud during which Papa was offered dirt on Hillary from the Russians.
     
  2. Jack Hays

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    Hmmm.
    Steele Dossier: Crossfire Hurricane was Completely Shady
    https://www.nationalreview.com › corner › its-official-e...


    At the height of the Russia-collusion hysteria, anyone who theorized that Crossfire Hurricane had been sparked by the Steele dossier — a document paid for by the political party running against target of the investigation — would be rigorously fact-checked.

    Mainstream reporters covering the story would authoritatively inform their audience that it was evidence gleaned from a conversation with then-20-something former Trump adviser George Papadopoulos that had triggered the investigation. They knew, of course, that if the FBI had relied principally on the dossier, the investigation would look transparently and problematically partisan. The Papadopoulos conversations, on the other hand, sounded pretty damning, even though journalists didn’t know exactly what they entailed.
    Well, DOJ inspector general Michael Horowitz recently told the Senate that those FISA warrants used to spy on the Trump campaign were "entirely” predicated on information from that dossier. And we now know that virtually every one of those applications to spy on American citizens was rife with errors, misleading information, and “fraudulent” evidence. You know, just some endemic, comprehensive, and highly targeted “sloppiness.”

    We now learn from a new CBS News report that the Papadopoulos evidence was also misrepresented in applications. Two weeks before Election Day, in the midst of a contentious presidential campaign, the Obama administration’s DOJ filled out surveillance warrant applications without including contradicting evidence — and then left out that evidence again on three subsequent renewals. Just another mishap.

    Papadopoulos, you’ll remember, supposedly linked the Trump administration to the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s email system. As it turns out, Papadopoulos explicitly denied to an FBI source that the campaign was involved in the hack, and goes out of his way to call the idea “illegal.”. . .
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My quote......"The Clinton campaign had no involvement in initiating the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation. Neither did the dossier."

    As the report recounts, “Crossfire Hurricane”—the FBI’s codename for its probe of potential links between Russia’s election interference operation and the 2016 Trump presidential campaign—originated in the summer of 2016 with a tip from the Australian government (a “friendly foreign government” in the report): Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos had been drunkenly repeating an academic acquaintance’s startling assertion that the Russian government had thousands of potentially damaging e-mails related to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. The intelligence community was already seeing the outlines of an unprecedentedly brazen, multi-pronged effort to meddle in the presidential election benefit: Now here was an indication that the Trump campaign might be not just an unwitting beneficiary of Russian efforts, but a knowing participant. The FBI quickly focused on four individuals in Trump’s orbit with ties to Russia: Page, Papadopoulos, campaign chair Paul Manafort, and national security advisor Michael Flynn.
    https://www.justsecurity.org/67691/the-crossfire-hurricane-reports-inconvenient-findings/

    While Townhall is more sophisticated in its deceit they fail (as do you Jack) to distinguish between CH's genesis and the subsequent filing of FISA warrant applications.
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meh, all already disproven but the desperate need something to help them ignore the current disastrous administration.
     
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    Thanks for the alternative facts or, really, opinion. I'll file them away.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gee, that's so much easier to say yet so much harder to prove. You're welcome to try though. Good luck.
     
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    No thanks. I have no reason to prove something to myself.
     
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    You missed the point entirely.

    Reread my post,

    Jeezus ****ing keerist, some people.
     
  11. Patricio Da Silva

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    Let this sink in


    https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/o20012.pdf

    ...Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.
     
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    I think it's incumbent of you to pay closer attention to printed matter.

    I didn't start a threat saying 'Dossier wasn't a hoax'.

    For years, repubs have been saying the Russia investigation was a hoax,

    That is why David Frum labeled his article as 'It Wasn't A Hoax".

    "IT' refers to Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

    NOT the dossier, now reread my post to get the actual premise of the post, or read the article at the Atlantic.
     
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    There were no findings by Mueller just conjecture.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member

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    In an OP, I always make an argument, and what 'i do' is copy some paragraphs from an article, per forum rules, IN SUPPORT OF MY ARGUMENT..

    Which you did not do.

    You got an argument, make it. Quote partially ( so as to not violate copyright law and the DMCA ) only to support YOUR argument, NOT someone else's.

    That's how it works.

    Capiche?
     
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    The FBI tried to obtain a FISA warrant with insufficient evidence and was rejected. The 4 FISA's warrant were only obtained after the fake dossier was used to scam the FISA court with an unverified dossier.
     
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    NM...
     
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  18. Lee Atwater

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    Thought so. But hey, the offer stands. Any time you'd like to try to prove me wrong you know where to find me.
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    There really isn't any point in engaging in a discussion on this if you won't acknowledge the contents of Mueller's report or are ignorant of it.
     
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    Read the IG report, despite the flaws in the FISA application,

    Crossfire hurricane was initiated weeks before the Dossier came to light.

    The investigation was sufficiently predicated and no bias on the part of the FBI was revealed.

    What was revealed is the FBI's long history of sloppiness in FISA applications, wnich are NOT peculiar to the Trump or any one of his minions.

    The Dossier was not 'fake' it was raw intel. The key aspect, that Russia was hacking in order to help Trump, has been confirmed. Some other items were confirmed, as well. The rest remains neither confirmed or disproven.
     
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    After laying out the unequivocal facts, in this thread and in others, about Trump/Mueller/Russia..........it's probably time to accept that for a large contingent of The Following the lies and misinformation assimilated in to their belief system are impenetrable. Debunk one, another pops up. Keep the thread going long enough and the same, previously debunked lies pop up again.
     
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    The fake unverified dossier has all the bearing on what we know regarding the coup attempt of a private citizen and then duly elected president Trump/Russia hoax using the full force of the US intel agencies. Everything. It was used in multiple FISA warrants even after the feds knew it was fake...The first attempt at a FISA warrant was denied because the FBI tried to get a warrant without enough evidence and the FISA court did not fall for it. Enter stage left the fake dossier.
    Joseph Mifsud was a spy working for the US, not a Russian agent and worked at the Link University in Rome and the London Center of International Law Practice (LCILP) — two academic groups with ties to Western diplomacy and intelligence and a western intelligence spying training center.
    Obama was directly involved in this coup attempt and expanded surveillance powers right before he left office to cover up this spying overseas of Papadopoulos through the international surveillance apparatus with the 16 other agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence community.
    The FISA's were a tool used by the FBI to use the "two hop" rule to be able to monitor Carter Page's communications forward and backwards inside the Trump campaign. Even though Page had worked for the CIA...
     
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    I have reread it and it makes no more sense the second time than the first time.
     
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    """Crossfire hurricane was initiated weeks before the Dossier came to light.""

    https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-reports/o20012.pdf
    page 94

    The FBI obtained reports directly from Steele during the time period of July through October 2016. Crossfire was started July 31... but we can play the game... the full copy of the Dossier was obtained later.... but the start of the 17 memos was in July to the FBI

    So yes Crossfire hurricane was initiated because of the Steele reports...

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    If all this were not fake news, they would not have had to buy fake documents, alter documents they presented to the FISA court and Trump would have been put in prison for something by now.

    Just give it up.
     

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