It's official: July was hottest month on record

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  1. FreshAir

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    let's hope it doesn't get to that point - but natural disaters and more severe weather, droughts and even too much rain could cause that to occur
     
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    sure, if they knew all the science and knew how to manipulate it with precision, then yes, it could be done

    someday we may even terraform other planets and\or moons
     
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    To be clear in the hear and now on planet Earth could it be done soley by controlling our C02 output?
     
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    The IPCC doesn’t claim there will be more of anything.
     
  5. FreshAir

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    not sure what all the vairibles would be, I do hope science figures it all out someday

    I do believe we are putting too much greenhouse gases in the atmosphere today though
     
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    you mean they do not feel climate change will change the weather
     
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    Plants/crops love. We are actually in a period of CO2 “starvation”. And there is no historical correlation of CO2 increases/decreases and temperature increases/decreases.
     
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    The prediction is that hurricanes will be stronger but there is no current evidence of that.
     
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    how do you figure?

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    The earth is much older than 10,000 years.

    Most plants cannot survive at atmospheric concentrations of CO2 less than 150 ppm.
     
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    never said it has not, I am not a Christan that thnks the world is only 6000 years old

    that said, yes, plants would trive with more co2... would humans?
     
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    Why present a 10,000 year chart and make a conclusion about CO2 ??

    Of course they would. Higher agricultural yields.
     
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    the conclusion was that we have had a recent huge spike, and not a "We are actually in a period of CO2 “starvation”"

    what happens if we get a natural spike along with this human made spike?
     
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    The choice of scale makes it appear “huge”. Plus the climate sensitivity is logarithmic so representation on a linear scale is intellectually dishonest.
     
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    Every month going forward will have a very good chance of being the Hottest or wettest or whatever on record. Thats what Climate Change does folks.
     
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    We’ve been hotter and wetter 1000 years ago.
     
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    And we were MUCH,MUCH hotter 4 Billion years ago....we were also MUCH wetter with no ice caps. I was much younger 30 years ago and none of that makes any difference in what is happening today.
     
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    What’s happening today is the same as what has happened in all 9 previous Holocene warming and cooling cycles. There is nothing unusual about the current warming cycle that we are in.
     
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    I am NOT talking about zero emissions. An example could be a wood stove to heat your house. Having the wood growing to replace the wood burned. On your own property. The wood growing would also capture carbon. ... Provide habitat for animals...decrease soil erosion...and build soils capturing more carbon.
     
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    Hilarious. Thanks for the great example of the ‘broken window fallacy’. Cut down all the trees, burn them to provide CO2, and plant new trees to consume the CO2. It’s good for the planet.
     
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    Do you have a number? What percentage of man's current C02 contribution would keep earths climate where we want it and what would that climate be exactly. You want to just stop melting glaciers or grow them back to some certain level and hold them there? You want to hold current sea levels or lower them? How about the northwest passage? Wouldn't it be beneficial to the world economy to jigger our climate so it was open year round?
     
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    No.... Do what can be done.... in a small way.... or a large way. Just think about the consequences of your actions. I watch a show called How It's Made. Just seeing the very large amounts of energy used in manufacturing a few products .... and thinking about what is being put in the air.... one can only wonder.... The energy used to make a brick.... window... steel building... auto.... and many other things... Even the show "How It's Made" has a section "heat applied". For one... we use more than we replace. The carbon.... the basis of all life... combines with O2 and becomes a gas....if not .... black ash. If this carbon were solid... not combined with O2.... it.would be a large lump 1km x 1km x 1km...We need to take as much as we can out of the air. How to do this?
     
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    Why would anyone do anything resulting in economic harm to themselves ??? Why would government do anything resulting in regressive economic harm to their citizens for no benefit ???
     
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    If you are so convinced man is in control of climate with his C02 then you really should have a plan as to just how much C02 we should contribute otherwise according to your own hypothesis you could send the climate into a tailspin of cooling if you reduce our C02 too much too fast.
     

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