'It's real. It's violent': After El Paso, Latinos across America live in fear

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  1. rahl

    rahl Well-Known Member

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    If you mean work as in create a large black market for alcohol, not drugs thus giving rise to gang violence, then yes, it worked. If you mean prevented the making, selling or consumption of alcohol/drugs in any way then no, it very demonstrably didn’t.
     
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    You repeating that it doesn’t matter, doesn’t make it matter any less. There are 2 entirely different causes of the violence and death.
     
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    Not sure if the progressives saw it coming.

    But we see the same thing in California with all of the gun laws. A new industry has popped up in California, gun trafficking and the black market sale of guns on the street.

    Back during prohibition the mob opposed repealing the 18th Amendment.

    Today the international gun traffickers have their lobbyist in Sacramento and in Washington DC demanding more gun laws.

    My grandfather was an alderman in a Wisconsin city during prohibition.

    He supported that the city should recognized and enforce the Homestead Act.
    Reading the editorials in the newspapers back then they said the reason why my grandfather supported prohibition was because they knew he would be supplying the beer for the city from his brewery in the basement of his house.
     
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    Progressives didn't start prohibition. Conservatives did.

    Gang violence is a direct result of prohibition. Gang violence is not comparable or relevant to mass shootings.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You obvious don't know your political history.

    During America's progressive era, it was the progressives who wrote America's alcohol laws, the laws on marijuana and cocaine. It was progressives who wrote America's immigration laws from 1900 until 1964.

    Today's progressives are not true progressives they are either Marxist, internationalist socialist, anarchist or wannabe totalitarians who hide behind the progressive label.

    The true progressive believed that the ills of society could be fixed through science.

    The true American progressive was usually a nationalist socialist and many were raiciet like President Woodward Wilson.
     
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  6. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fearmongering or scaremongering is the spreading of frightening and exaggerated rumors of an impending danger or the habit or tactic of purposely and needlessly arousing public fear about an issue.

    What is being exaggerated?
    What is the rumor?

    I have noted news stories that actual people are fearful
    I have noted there actually have been racially motivated attack by white separatists
    Against non whites
    I another thread i have discussed the fact that i personally know a person who endorses and justifies such attacks

    Given that there really are such people who are inclined to racially motivated attacks
    Given attacks by such people are actually happening
    Given that our president has called such people as criminals and racists... which would encourage the public to see these people in this way and respond in a negative mannrt
    Given that the administration is implementing enforcement policies specifically targeting hispanics

    Given all that, it does not seem like fear mongering to simply report the reality

    Btw... Christians feel attacked in this country for much much much smaller reason
    Do you think they are fear mongering?
     

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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that trump should stop doing that immediately
     
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    Because I keep correcting you? Lol ok
     
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    In both cases a maniac shoots multiple people. Same result. In either case, people are wounded, killed, and terrorized. No difference.
     
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    Telling people they need to be scared in our country of things that are very very unlikely to happen is fear-mongering.
     
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    He's not you are.
     
  12. rahl

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    Huge difference. One is entirely preventable. End prohibition. The other requires much more study.
     
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    Because you think that one type of mass shooting is preventable doesn't change the fact that it's a mass shooting. Besides, not all of these shootings are over disputes over narcotics, sometimes it's mindless tribalism, or an offensive over some minor slight. Nevertheless, still a mass shooting.
     
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    Not a mass shooting. Gang related shooting. 2 entirely different things.
     
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    It's literally not. Four or more people being shot is... well, it's four or more people being shot. Period. The "why" of the shooting changes absolutely nothing about the fact that a certain number of people were shot.
     
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    It demonstrably is.

    And your thinking is why nothing will ever get done about it. You have to address the root causes. Gang related shootings are completely irrelevant to to mass shootings.
     
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    If an incel shoots 5 random people, are they any less wounded or dead than 5 crips shot by a blood for wearing the wrong color or being in the wrong area?
     
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    It doesn’t matter how many times you choose to repeat this same incorrect arguments.
     
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    Right, because you're clearly bound and determined to defy logic for political purposes.

    I knew progressives would start to redefine what a mass shooting is once they realized that it's mostly minorities... it's just sad to see such willful ignorance in action.
     
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    I’m not defying logic. I’m showing you how and why the 2 are entirely different and in no way comparable.

    It isn’t mostly minorities, as I showed you.
     
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    Whites live in fear watching the local news every night and reading the local papers every morning.
     
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    You haven't shown anything, and yes, you're in complete denial of reality.
     
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    please give my quote where i said anyone needed to be scared
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where ?
     
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    I e shown otherwise. Sorry.
     

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