'It's real. It's violent': After El Paso, Latinos across America live in fear

Absolutely
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But their anger is not limited to jews
They do not want to be around anyone from a non european culture. They are angry about multi culturalism... which they feel is a “genocide” of their race (for lack of a better word)

Imo, it is important to acknowledge this political sub culture... and to acknowledge that their attacks are different than other mass shooting ....

which is not to say these race base mass shootings are the most frequent,

nor is it to say that other mass shootings are unimportant.....

It is only to become aware of the existence of this violent sub culture....

 

Yet they still include drivebys in which more than four people are killed as mass shootings

 

Imo it is worthwhile to distinguish between types of mass shootings. Just like it is worthwhile to distinguish between a murder from home Invasion vs domestic violence

 

I agree. The current methodology leaves room for all sorts of disingenuous BS by both sides. Exactly as I cited in a previous post.

 

You guys started this racist garbage long before he ever dreamed about becoming president. Because nobody should dare criticize god king Obama.

 

Okay ethnic bigotry

 

Drumming up fear about it serves no purpose other than to fear monger.

 

Please explain what this means

 

singling out ethnic groups and drumming up fear.

 

I disagree

I AM NOT COMPARING THIS TO FACISM
except i now use the rise facism as an example of a r9sing danger.... which was insufficiently recognized.... and which should have been more fully identified, and warned against

I acknowledge that some warnings are laughably hyperbolic. (The sky is falling)

Otoh, not every warning that seems hyperbolic actually is hyperbolic. Sometimes warnings of impending disasters are accurately warning of a real impending disaster.

Imo, sometimes these sorts of warnings can actually encourage a change of course that prevents disaster. Take the example of the hole in the ozone. Scientists noticed the hole in the ozone... and proposed this was from CFCs.... we eliminated CFCs and the problem is being resolved

BUT, lets say that skeptics had insisted that there was no proof that CFCs are related to the problem, and no proof that the hole in the ozone was non natural.... and lets say that based on this skepticism we did not constrain our CFC emissions... and that the atmospheres ozone layer continued to collapse.... then there would be xyz consequences

Addressing the problem of the ozone hole necessitated TALKING about the ozone hole as well as the potential problems of loosing the ozone layer

And i am proposing the same logic for this thread.... if there is a
Problem, we have to start by becoming aware of the problem... z
And also aware of the potential consequences of the problem


Now, hypothetically.... lets say that there are racist groups with a violent predisposition.... lets say they and their violence are becoming more widespread.....isn’t that a matter that should concern us!

 

That's the whole point of tRUMPs white Nationalism.

 

To summarize our discussion

I started this thread
You called starting this thread to be promoting racism
I ask you to clarify
You revised your claim to be that i am promoting ethnic bigotry
I asked you to explain
And you now say
singling out ethnic groups and drumming up fear

I now respond..
I only single out ethnic groups because there are people who attack other people BASED on ethnic group

It is not my intention to “drum up fear”, but rather to point out that people ARE fearful

 

I didn't accuse you of comparing anything to fascism I said you were fear-mongering.

it's never the ones that are laughably hyperbolic that are of concern those make freaking children stories. It's the ones that are plausible yet hyperbolic that I'm concerned with so please stay on the topic.

this is not relevant to the discussion in the least.

there is no need to reinvent the wheel none of this is relevant.

the problem though is fabricated. Latinos unless there illegally here have really nothing to fear reasonably.

I only participate in hypotheticals if there is a rhetorical value to them this when I don't see it.



The point is there isn't a racist group whose violence is becoming more widespread in the United States.

This is the fear mongering.

 

Which doesn’t change the fact that a drug related
Gang shooting is in no way comparable to a mass shooting.

 

it promotes ethnic bigotry because Latino isn't a race. So I made them misnomer when I said racist bigotry.

You are drumming up fear that doesn't hold much merit. And it's specifically designed to drive a wedge between white ethnic Americans and so called Latinos.

yes drumming up fear.

the fear is irrational we call it Xenophobia. and I will accept that it wasn't your intention to drum up fear but the narrative you're presenting is doing that. You are perpetuating it.

Fanning the flames so to speak.

 

I we'll make this simpler. What people are the people who attack?

 

Again complain to the FBI. I agree but that's where the numbers used earlier come from.

 

The Fox News/Rush Limbaugh guy from Dallas drove all the way down to El Paso to kill some Mexicans whom he feared were invaders who were trying to ruin his American way of life. Every day the crap being churned out by Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Levin, Limbaugh and others suggests that we are being invaded by brown skinned Spanish speaking people. Trump has as one of his main advisors a n ignorant scumbag who used to come up and scream at people who spoke Spanish in Santa Monica High School. This is a guy who should have been on a watch list instead of being recruited by the White House. This administration is and will be remembered as a black eye in American History. Hopefully these scumbags will be banished from government soon and Murdoch’s kids will put a lid on the little evening hate fest being run out of their shop.

 

Except he was none if the above, he was an environmental wacko according roughly five sixths if his manifesto.

 

The Ohio shooter worshiped at the alter of socialism and collectivism.

What say you?

 

There are people who attack other based on the cultural difference between themselves and others. This includes jihadists and the new zealand shooter, the Charleston shooter, and the el paso shooter

 

Then why did he head for a border town and target Mexican Americans?

 

No it is not. It is simply discussing facts
Is ther anything i have written that is factually incorrect?

No, it was not even targeted at an ethnic audience..., and certainly did not tell them something they were unaware of

Imo, fear is a false characterization.... there are not enough of these things happening that anyone should have fear

However, what is going on is certainly enough to provoke a rational concern.

Please summarize that narrative

At what point in hitlers rise to power should jews have felt concern. At which point in his rise to power would it be appropriate to say things similar to what i have said?

 

Of course it matters.
Different reasons requires different solutions.
Unless the solution is to round up all guns in the country. Which is not a real solution.