January 6 Hearing Session 6: "They're not here to hurt ME"

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump and his minions habitually defy subpoenas that require their testimony under oath.

    As for the courageous young Republican insider, Cassidy Hutchinson, besides her damning, unchallenged, eye-witness accounts, she provided hearsay that demands the sworn testimony of those involved.


    Hutchinson detailed a conversation she had with Tony Ornato, White House deputy chief of staff for operations, and Bobby Engel, who headed Trump's security detail, at the White House following Trump's speech at the Ellipse, in which he told rallygoers that he would be marching to the Capitol with them as Congress completed its formal tally of the 2020 election results.

    "I looked at Tony, and he had said, 'did you f-ing hear what happened in the Beast?'" Hutchinson recalled, using the nickname for the presidential vehicle. "I said, 'no Tony, I just got back, what happened?' Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the Beast, he was under the impression that the off-the-record movement to the Capitol was still possible, and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information."

    "So once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol, and when Bobby had relayed to him, 'we’re not, you don’t have the assets to do it, it’s not secure, we’re going back to the West Wing,' the president had a very strong, very angry response to that."

    Hutchinson said Ornato described Trump "as being irate."

    Trump "said something to the effect of, 'I’m the f-ing president, take me up to the Capitol now,'" Hutchinson testified. "To which Bobby responded, 'sir, we have to go back to the West Wing.' The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said 'sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol.'"

    Obviously, the sworn testimonies of Ornato and Engel are essential regarding this aspect of her testimony since she relates what they told her.

    The Loser has tried this silly lie before. People laugh.

     
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    Why shouldnt we think it was Trump? He lied daily about everything. This is well documented.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet we find that the sworn testimony under is oath is wrong.
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump diehard lickspittles must first refute the substantive, corroborated testimonies of so many Republican officeholders and insider operatives.

    Calling them all names and threatening them and their families is not a viable alternative.
     
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  5. MJ Davies

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    I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong. Trump lied. Must be a day ending in "y".

    Let's go with your lie for a minute. Why would he request 10,000 National Guardsmen and women if he didn't expect trouble? He did not request them for any rallies before or since then.

    Also, why did he tell his people to take away the metal detectors and that he knew his supporters weren't there to harm him?

    Also, why did he do nothing once he SAW (just like the rest of us) the first Capitol officer get attacked? He did nothing for hours.

    None of that fits in with him wanting a peaceful march to the Capitol.

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    RE, your side is blaming everyone, except McCarthy and those that refuse to testify, for the "investigation being unfair". Investigations by their nature are one sided, how many time do the police bring in the suspect to cross while they are building a case. I think McCarthy, Meadows, Giuliani and tRump himself would be chomping at the bit to perjure themselves testify to set the record straight.

    As much as you wish the "INVESTIGATION" is a "farce"; it's not. The extreme push back by tRumpublicans is what's farcical, OUR Country was attacked from within and all you folks want to do is obstruct the investigation into how and why. :shock:
     
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    again, trump was in an suv, "the suburban",: not the "beast."
     
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    The Secret Service said it was not true.
     
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    No, RE, "we" find there are conflicting reports, one under oath, about what happened. Shouldn't the sensible reaction be; let's get those guys in here to testify? It's easy to call someone a liar, when you're NOT under oath. :roll:
     
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    Well, "we" know how forthcoming tRumpublicans have been, but, I think now they should subpoena them and get the whole story. 8)
     
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    As "I" have repeatedly explained, RE, in your own words it's an investigation, not a court of law. Kevin McCarthy abdicated the Republican side of it when he refused to seat tRumpublicans on the Committee. And ever since, tRator tRump has forbade anyone to cooperate with the Committee, and now his side is tireless in crying fowl. :roll:
     
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    So they should contact Chairman Thompson and testify, don't ya think; RE?
     
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    Legally that's not hearsay. It's a first hand account of a conversation she had.
     
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    Then testify.
     
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    I filed it in the wishful thinking file, it's forgotten.
     
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    I know I was not present. Unlike much of the testimony of the democrat's investigation.
     
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    Lol, then someone who refutes the testimony should.

    Strange how they aren't, isn't it?
     
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    The only part I have refuted is the limousine incident.

    The rest I don't know because I don't trust the democrat's investigation.
     
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    I completely agree. The Secret Service has stated that they were not contacted since this "witness" came forward and they are prepared to testify that Amber Heard II is declaring wild fantasies for which there is no basis in fact.

    This Committee has really screwed the pooch and on live Television.

    J6! Laughing Stock:

    LET A THOUSAND MEMES BLOOM: Trump J6 Beast Mode Meme Fest.

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    I defer. The sworn testimony of Ornato and Engel would be appropriate.

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    "Which Mike L are yuh gonna believe?
    Respected conservative scholar J. Michael Luttig,
    or famous Pillow Boy, Mike Lindell, huh?"

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    Then encourage the agents who told her the story to come forward and testify under oath.
     
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    Don't hold your breath.
     
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    They have already expressed their willingness to do that.
     
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    Where they at?
     

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