Japan marks 71st anniversary of Hiroshima atomic bombing

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  1. DrewBedson

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    ""Hiroshima Mayor Kazumi Matsui says world leaders should follow President Barack Obama and learn first-hand about the evils of nuclear weapons.""

    They already know that nuclear weapons have saved the world as well as hundreds of millions if not billions of lives by keeping the great powers from direct war more than once. In that way they have kept the peace for over seventy years on the global level.
     
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    This isn't exactly news. It is an opinion piece.
     
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    IHR twists and distorts truth yet again. It is not the right of the defeated to dictate or haggle over surrender terms rather to accept or continue war hence Japan did not surrender after the bombing of Hiroshima rather held out for a better deal thus ensuring they were bombed again.
     
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    On Saturday the Japanese PM said that. That's current events as reported.
     
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    Hopefully Japan still remembers the lesson of those bombs.
     
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    Those good people fail to understand that the Japanese goverment at the time chose war over peace by failing to surrender according to the terms they were given thus destruction came to them to force them to surrender.
     
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    Japan invaded the US, without declaring war and absent hostile action on our part. In what universe does a successful defence and deterrence of further hostilities warrant an apology. Hell, we TOLD Japan we were going to nuke them. We even invited them to send observers to our nuke tests so they'd know we weren't bluffing. They brought that hell down on themselves.
     
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    It said "Japan seeks peace. I showed it did not seek peace enough to surrender

    Both cities had multiple military targets as they were centers of military logistics and troop strongholds thus were military targets.

    Wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

    ""The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest seaports in southern Japan, and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The four largest companies in the city were Mitsubishi Shipyards, Electrical Shipyards, Arms Plant, and Steel and Arms Works, which employed about 90% of the city's labor force, and accounted for 90% of the city's industry.[173] Although an important industrial city""

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    At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of both industrial and military significance. A number of military units were located nearby, the most important of which was the headquarters of Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's Second General Army, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan,[106] and was located in Hiroshima Castle. Hata's command consisted of some 400,000 men, most of whom were on Kyushu where an Allied invasion was correctly anticipated.[107] Also present in Hiroshima were the headquarters of the 59th Army, the 5th Division and the 224th Division, a recently formed mobile unit.[108] The city was defended by five batteries of 7-cm and 8-cm (2.8 and 3.1 inch) anti-aircraft guns of the 3rd Anti-Aircraft Division, including units from the 121st and 122nd Anti-Aircraft Regiments and the 22nd and 45th Separate Anti-Aircraft Battalions. In total, an estimated 40,000 Japanese military personnel were stationed in the city.[109]

    Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military, but it also had large stockpiles of military supplies.[110] The city was also a communications center a key port for shipping and an assembly area for troops.""
     
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    Do you understand the concept of total war? Do you understand that WW2 was a total war?
     
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    There was a short TV broadcast commemorating the event but most Japanese people do not care about the issue anymore. It's mainly Hiroshima citizens who still cannot get over it after 71 years.
     
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    With that angle the Nazis were right to conduct the holocaust, since they were at "total" war.
     
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    Interesting theories have been presented by anonymous folks on the internet who feel that mass murdering civilians is reasonable. But, on the other hand, we have the opinions of some folks who might have a little more insight than our anonymous friends.

    Check it out and compare the following to what our mass murder supporters have posted on this thread.

    In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives.
    --Dwight D. Eisenhower from his memoir The White House Years


    The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.
    --Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet


    The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.
    --Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, 1950


    The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.
    --Major General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945


    The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment ... It was a mistake to ever drop it ... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it ...
    — Fleet Admiral William Halsey, Jr., 1964
     
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    With a civillian minority? What was this war called and what was the order of battle, what weapons were used by each side and what were the Jewish generals names?
     
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    The leader, Truman decided it was the best action to take and it saved tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of American lives and more than likely millions of Japanese lives in any scenario other than unconditional surrender. Personal feelings of military leaders have little part in a political decision other than advisory and Truman did not wish to have to answer to mothers and wives of dead soldiers who would die while assaultin the Japanese mainland why he didn't use a weapon that could have ended the war because he valued the enemies lives More than his own countrymens.
     
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    I suppose I could but he wasn 't Jewish and was certainly no e of the generals in Sam's picture so the fact he met the Nuremberg standard for not being Jewish and permitted to serve means nothing.
     
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    Better than the gamma radiation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki's water for a time after we dropped the bombs, I'd guess.

    The Japanese deserved and needed the lesson-but thats an afterthought.

    No more American lives needed to be spent.
    [video=youtube;ssxi1jlYfh8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssxi1jlYfh8[/video]
     
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    Okay we should agree the US will not use any nukes to defend Japan from China but the trade-off we won't commit our Pacific Fleet to defend them either unless we have numerical superiority of 2:1 in ships and aircraft to compensate for not using nukes. Deal?
     
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    He was.
     
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    How many of these people opined against the incessant incendiary strikes on Japanese cities, which killed more people and destroyed more area?
    Had Hiroshima and Nagasaki been destroyed with conventional weapons, like almost every other city in Japan, would anyone have noticed?
     
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    About time that the US officially apologises for the bombing.
     
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    I can't believe that I have to keep pointing out how wrong it is to mass murder civilians. Or how gross it is to see people actually support it. And yes, yes we would.
     

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