Japan Should Say, "Thank YOU" for The Bomb!

Don't need to answer a thing. There is an obvious direct correlation between the US testing their incinerating bombs specifically on civilian Japanese houses, and using the same bombs on a massive scale on Japanese cities.

 

Except you can't make that 'obvious connection', and don't even try.

 

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The obvious connection is... That the US tested their incinerating bombs specifically on civilian Japanese houses, and using the same bombs on a massive scale on Japanese cities. You just acknowledge that both things happened. All you can do is put your head in the sand.

 

A WW2 historian obviously you are not.

How many surrendered on Iwo Jima? How about Okinawa?

 

Right back to you

They all surrendered on Japan....
So much for fighting for the last man myth. lol

 

Call me crazy, but I don't believe the murder of civilians is ever justified. Even if I could concede that in this case it was necessary from a practical perceptive, the one thing I cannot stomach is hypocrisy. You can't go around proclaiming targeting civillians is a war crime and punishable by international law when you are doing it yourself.

 

Only terrorists would think of it as 'justified', as in a strategy, but it is always inevitable. And few pay attention to international law in war time. The point is to win and the legalities can then be settled later.

 

It was originally Churchill's idea to bomb civilian targets indiscriminately in Germany. Hiroshima was also approved by Churchill. Truman needed Churchill's green light to drop the atomic bomb on a third country, bound by nuclear agreements between the UK and the US. I once wrote a research paper on this subject in the UK and got a 2:1.

 

Wartime strikes on military targets like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, however, are not the murder of civilians.

The US has not targeted civilians within the last 100 years.

 

Easy enough to say in hindsight. When the bombs were dropped however, no one knew what it would take to make Japan surrender.

 

No on ever knows that for certainty in war. But all the military leaders believed the bomb was not needed. If we use that excuse then we should always use nuclear weapons in every conflict

 

Petty excuse to keep on saying they would never surrender, when they did.

It didn't do a thing. The US with their genocide policy to massacre civilians by burning them alive had no impact to the previous +60 cities. Them allied should be hung for the massacres they committed on the civilian population. And it was the USSR who wiped out their entire army on the mainland in a week of 2, also had a full navy. They started to invade the Japanese homeland. That made them surrender. The Russians are still holding on to what they took from Japan to this day.

 

That is incorrect. When the bombs were dropped our military leaders had no idea what it would take to make Japan surrender.

The A-bombs were dropped at the height of the most brutal war in human history.

Most conflicts aren't quite so dire.

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The forthcoming surrender wasn't so evident when the bombs were dropped.

Easy enough to say in hindsight. Not so easy to say before Japan surrendered.

No such genocide. No such massacres.

Unlikely. Ultimately it was the US victories on Okinawa and Iwo Jima that made Japan surrender.

 

The evidence says you are wrong

 

That is incorrect. The evidence fully agrees with me in every respect.

 

Saying it does not make it true. I have posted the evidence. You have posted conjecture. I am fine with others deciding for themselves

 

The US analyzed their firebombs on the Japanese civilian houses they build on their test site to maximize the effectiveness, to than unleash their genocide campaign by carpet firebombing well over 60 cities extensively. Do note, when the Palestinians shoot a missile to the Israeli places they got ethnic cleansed out, than it is considered terrorism due to targeting civilians. This is far and far worse due to the carpet bombing entire cities with firebombs they tested.

Heck no.. it was the USSR victories on Sachalin which is just 50km away from a Japanese main island. And Kunashir that's just 20km away from the same island on the other side. And with no army to defend it..... Russian are still holding on to it.

 

That's the nice thing about the truth. It is true of its own accord, and does not require me to "make" it true.

You've not provided any evidence that contradicts anything that I've said.

I've posted facts that are backed up with historical scholarship.

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No such genocide.

That's because it IS terrorism due to targeting civilians.

WWII bombing of weapons factories and military installations is in no way worse than Palestinians intentionally murdering civilians.

Japan did not shift from "win the war at all costs" to "try to end the war somehow" when the Soviets attacked.

Japan made that shift when the US overran Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

 

The US tested their firebombs on civilian Japanese houses they build on their testsites, to then carpetbomb cities over and over and over. So of course that is genocide.

The US tested their weapons on civilian targets to unleash it on a massive scale all over Japan. Same thing.

Plenty of military targets in Israeli cities as well.

They did quickly surrendered to the US when the USSR was about to invade the Japanese main island. Guess the promise of making it a democracy under their own rule was a bit more appealing than being oppressed under Russian communist rule.

Not nearly as close as Sachalin and Kunashir, being 50 and 20km away, to than get invaded with nothing to defend.

 

In the early hours of 25 July 1943, nearly 800 RAF Halifaxes and Lancasters launched a 50-minute bombing raid on the Third Reich’s second largest city, Hamburg. The pilots used the neo-Gothic spire of St Nikolai’s church in the city’s historic heart as a landmark and killed 1,500 people.

Three nights later, just after midnight, the bombers returned. What was to follow was immeasurably worse. The RAF’s target was the city’s overcrowded working-class districts, Hammerbrook, Hamm and Borgfelde, to which many of those who had lost their homes in the previous bombardment had fled. Unusually warm weather and heavy loads of incendiaries combined to create a hurricane-like firestorm. In the face of temperatures of 800˚C, ‘every human resistance was quite useless,’ Hamburg’s chief of police later wrote. People jumped into canals and waterways, swimming or standing for hours; many were asphyxiated in bomb shelters as the fires raging in the streets devoured every trace of oxygen.

Two more overnight raids would follow, complemented by heavy American daytime bombing of Hamburg’s ports, but it was on the night of 27 July that most of Operation Gomorrah’s 40,000 victims would die. The ten-day pounding of Hamburg was, Air Chief Marshal Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris conceded, ‘incomparably more terrible’ than anything thus far visited upon Germany. Ten square miles of the city were obliterated, forcing 900,000 of its inhabitants to flee. In the aftermath, suggested a contemporary account, ‘Rats and flies were the lords of the city.’

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-carpet-bombing-of-hamburg-killed-40000-people-it-also-did-good/

 

No such genocide.

US bombing of military targets is in no way the same as Palestinians murdering civilians.

Yet the Palestinians go out of their way to murder civilians.

That is because, once Iwo Jima and Okinawa freaked Japan out enough that they wanted to get out of the war, they tried to get out of the war with Soviet aid. Then later when the Soviets declared war on them, Japan realized that the desired Soviet aid would not be forthcoming, so they shifted gears and tried to get out of the war by surrendering.

Japan was not facing Russian rule. Japan was facing a massive American invasion.

Japan had millions of soldiers waiting to fight to the death. That is something of a defense.

 

The US used weapons they tested on civilian houses on their test sites, to than deploy them on a massive scale on civilians. There is no question about it. And that is genocide right there. That there are military targets in cities,.. well Palestinians shoot at cities with military targets as well.

The US testing their weapons on civilian houses on their test sites over and over, is also going out of their way to murder civilians.

Get your historic facts straight, buddy. The Soviets didn't aid the Japanese. They attacked them and they totally freaked the Japanese out by wiping their multi million army out in a couple of weeks, to than invade their homeland.

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Japan was not only facing Russian rule.
Russia is still ruling parts of Japan to this day!
And it would have been way worse if they didn't quickly surrender to the US.

The Russians already defeated the millions of soldiers protecting that main Japanse island.

 

No such genocide.

The Palestinians deliberately target civilians.

Wartime strikes against military targets are in no way the murder of civilians.

No need to worry about that. All my facts are 100% accurate.

So?

Before Iwo Jima and Okinawa: Japan devoted to fighting until they win the war.

After Iwo Jima and Okinawa: Japan devoted to cutting their losses and escaping the war.


Before the Soviets declared war: Japan devoted to escaping the war with the aid of the Soviets.

After the Soviets declared war: Japan devoted to escaping the war without the aid of the Soviets.

It was the US who was poised to mount a massive invasion of Japan, not the Soviets.

The two million soldiers that were poised to defend Japan were undefeated and ready to fight to the death against any invasion.

 

This is a-historical in the extreme.

First, the notion that politicians could have ever been certain that Japanese surrender under any conditions was certain (or even likely) is hindsight at best. Japanese war crimes committed against prisoners of war and civilians had hardened the US population completely against Japan. For Truman to have accepted anything less than unconditional surrender would have ended his career.

Ultimately, it would have been a war crime not to have used the atomic bomb. The bomb ended the war, and anything that decisively stops a major world conflagration is the definition of necessity. For Truman to have allowed the conflict to drag on for months, when he had the means to end it, would have been the ultimate immorality.

 

FDR would have never used the bomb. The bomb was unnecessary according to all the military leaders of the time. The bomb was a political decision made by a president that was unprepared for it. That bomb was a message to Russia. It was unecessary