Jason Snead: Supreme Court voting rights case could change rules across the country. Here's how

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  1. 19Crib

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    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/supreme-court-voting-rights-election-reform-jason-snead



    A bit of background here. Absentee ballots are not secure only because counties are too lazy to purge the rolls of deceased, moved, or otherwise invalid addresses. The result is extra ballots lying around. As usual, a good thing becomes a bad thing because the government is not interested in maintaining it.

    Ballot harvesting is done by getting voter lists from the (state) Sec of State, and then going to those addresses and picking up the ballot. Of course, neither party would never check the voter list and cause a ballot to get "lost" would they? Actually all they have to do is deface the signature with a Sharpie and it is void.

    So we shall see what the Supremes say.
     
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    They can check whether "a" ballot was recieved in their name. But then when Trump urged voters to do that the Dems and MSM had a fit about it.
     
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    That's not quite true, is it? He encouraged his voters to mail in their ballot and then go to vote in person. If the system was as good as reported, they wouldn't be able to vote in person.
    Trump encourages supporters to try to vote twice, sparking uproar | Reuters
     
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    No that is true he urged them to check to see if their ballot had been received. What do you do if it hasn't been, you go and vote a provisional ballot.
     
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    “Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview on Wednesday with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina. “And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person.
     
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    What? How are those not reasonable?
     
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    In Arizona there was no paper trail between absentee and precincts. So you could vote absentee, then vote in every precinct if you wanted.
    Ballot harvesting is done by party workers with voter lists sorted by party, thus nullifying the chain of custody. If you are gathering for republican, you might be tempted to "lose" democrat ones. Also in California, you can easily void a harvested ballot by defacing the signature, forcing it to be provisional or tossed all together.
    Most important here is the loss of confidence in elections caused by sloppy processes.
    Fraud has consequences: Remember JFK won through fraud compliments of the Daly Machine in Chicago. JFK was assassinated, LBJ took over and sent over 50,000 American soldiers to their deaths.
     
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    Why on earth do people need to vote in their local precinct on election day? What century do you live in. I can vote at any voting location in my country in a national election and any in my state in a state election. Further, there are never less than two voting locations within a 10 minute walk, which means short lines. We can also pre-poll vote weeks before elections, and a large minority of people choose to do so. Postal voting is also commonplace and has been for generations.

    Oh, and I have probably voted several dozen times in my adult life and never once had to show ID. Voter fraud in my country is next to nonexistent.

    I don't understand why any modern nation can't run elections like that.
     
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    Countries and states that want their citizens to vote do it that way. Those who don't...
     
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    It doesnt sound like your country has any objective way of actually verifying that...
     
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    It doesn't sound like you know enough about how my country runs elections to have a clue. But hey, don't let that stop you just sayin' stuff.
     
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    We also have independent State and Federal election Commissions whose job it is to run elections and change electoral boundaries. This means we don't have gerrymandering or malapportionments. We used to back when state governments did the job, so we gave the job to an independent body. Its findings can be appealed if any group feels disadvantaged.

    We also pay people to run polling booths and count votes, which means we don't have issues with too few polling booths, which in turn means very few long lines.

    Taking these powers out of the hands of politicians mean that it is easy for all our citizens to vote and our elections are not subject to accusation of widespread fraud. We have had governments change hands over a literal handful of votes without any issue. In other words, we run elections like a grown up country, not one stuck in the 18th century.
     
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