The mind will believe what it wants to believe. More importantly, if one truly believes he will burn in hell if he doesnt believe, then ofcourse he will believe! From a logical point of view, I have always this pic says it all .
What if Edward Fudge is correct? What, then, would that do to your belief (bolded red) Edward Fudge - Wikipedia The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment. 3rd edition, fully updated, revised and expanded: Fudge, Edward William: 9781608999309: Amazon.com: Books Best. JAG ``
Your first is a lie. Here is the proof of your lie. Job 2,3 has Yahweh himself saying that he was moved by Satan to do evil without a just cause. Who has he fought lately? As to Jesus being a supernatural god. He sure seems powerless. John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Get out of the stupid supernatural and read the right Jesus. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Regards DL
John 8;14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. Pick your flavor. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Jesus said "our". He is stating that they are separate entities. In Christianity, the son always retires the old. Regards DL
It seems that many people think they should be good because if they don't they will burn in hell. So, really, they're only being good for personal gain (to keep from burning in hell). This seems to completely miss the point of being good. No lesson is learned, only fear. I doubt very much that god in all his wisdom set up such a system. But, that's my belief. We are all free to believe what we wish.
I think the best evidence that jesus himself knew he wasn't god were his last (or nearly last) words: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" What were the last words of Jesus? (skepticsannotatedbible.com) Assuming he was a generally good man but with a Messiah complex, now being horribly executed, it's totally logical for him to say something like that. But if he was god, experiencing human pain as an infinitely wise being, he wouldn't accuse himself of forsaking himself. It doesn't make sense at all. It's almost like the "it is done" quote was added later to try to make it less ridiculous. But the biggest problem with Christianity is its internal consistency. That people can be created as "sinful," condemned to burn for how they are inherently made, and then the "out" is this ridiculous idea of god sacrificing himself to himself to somehow excuse people for being what they are. No excuse was needed, and this system is a pathetic excuse anyway. I hope there's an afterlife, but there is a 0% chance that the Christians are simultaneously right about god working this way, and god being all powerful and benevolent. Such a god is simply capricious, cruel, and insecure. I couldn't rule out the possibility, but such a god deserves no worship. If anything, an infinitely wise god would punish people for believing this kind of crap. Now, I can't say whether there's an afterlife or not. NDE does intrigue me as well. The content of what people say when they come back isn't all that important because much could be dismissed by the mind trying to comfort itself as it dies, or to feel despair and think its in hell. No, what I'd be interested in is better documentation of extracorporeal sensation. If THAT could be proven, then we would at least know there's a soul, and that would be a start.
Beats adoring a genocidal god and moral misfit. Your last is true, and lets thank all the gods that those in the god religions do not walk their advertised beliefs. Good people would not tolerate it. Regards DL
I heard a statement in a lecture, public meeting a few days ago that could launch a particular church or group of churches into something potentially important? Over the last two years I took more than thirty courses through Warrior Notes School of Ministry and there is now, Warrior Churches. The goal of near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai and for Pastor Mike Cowan and Pastor Ryan Bruss is for Warrior Churches to function within any one church....... or group of churches..... and benefit those churches similar to how The Alpha Program benefited thousands of congregations and hundreds of huge denominations over the last three decades or more. Here is an example of The Alpha Program..... I totally agree with the idea that The Alpha Program operated in a way that livened up churches.... and got many Christians up out of a lukewarm spiritual attitude. Now here is an example of a near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai lecture and I believe that if any church will attempt to use his courses in such a way that fires up their church..... I believe that it will work..... especially over the long term..... You may wish to skip to the 1:04:00 mark in the video where Dr. Kevin Zadai himself begins to speak..... (before that is worship and worship music).... Supernatural Displacement- Kevin Zadai 39,444 views Streamed live on Oct 31, 2021
He also said that his followers are one in the same way that he and his Father are one. He never claimed to be the Father. Every single major Christian denomination, throughout history, has considered that a heresy.
True, ------ As they put Jesus above Yahweh and break the first commandment. They tried to civilize God but Constantine tied Jesus to the genocidal one. They wanted a God of War. Not a good God. Now the right wing supernatural believing immoral Christian people call evil Yahweh good. Regards DL
If Christians are to believe that Jesus is the son of God, thanks to the bible, then they also have believe what the bible says about all of us being able to do as Jesus did. If Jesus can be the son of God, then so can we all, if we are to believe the bible. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Christians are too afraid to step up and would rather sin by accepting Jesus as their messiah, an immoral concept. They ignore the Jewish law Jesus taught. Regards DL
Actually... that is a good point that we are all children of God..... and the most ancient part of our human spirit is a spark from the Creator....... that I heard explained as being one of the fourteen Elohim...... which are the seven spirits of God... but they are twins... a male and a female in each pair.....
I feel like I could beat Jesus at ping pong. It’s Shiva you have to watch out for when you play ping pong.
So I guess the reason that the Jews gave that they crucified the man, well I guess that was just a big misunderstanding wasn't it ?
The Romans crucified Jesus. Not the Jews. And it wasn't for claiming to be the Father, which again, every major Christian denomination rejects. All of them. Catholics. Eastern Orthodox. Protestants. EVERY Trinitarian denomination rejects this as a heresy. Without exception. They call it Modalism and Patripassianism. I'm sure you can find one or two anti-Trinitarian Christian groups that have adopted the idea that Jesus was the Father, but they are practically non-existent. Is this seriously the first time you've been introduced to basic Trinitarian concepts?
The romans only pounded in the nails FOR the Jews. Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged, and finally crucified by the Romans.[5][6][7] It portrays his death as a sacrifice for humanity's sins. The Sanhedrin is both a Jewish judicial and administrative body. The Sanhedrin was composed of local elites--including members of the high-priestly family, scribes (religious experts), and lay elders. Why are you apologizing for what the JEWS did?
I dunno. The guy who mows my lawn is short and paunchy. Pretty sure I could smoke Jesus in a foot race.
Yet Jesus is an incarnation of God's Word, which means Jesus emanated from God's Thoughts. So is one's thoughts lesser than the Creative Love Force it emanated from? It would be like saying that your words and thoughts are lesser than your feelings which had formed your thoughts. I should think they would be one the same thing and yet God the Creator did not come out of the Word. It was the Word that came out of the Creator. So take it as you may. These things about the nature of God etc., were argued about in taverns for centuries by the Greeks who had nothing better to do.
Jesus was God's messenger, but not God himself. Some crazy Catholics declared Jesus as God. But that's wrong. --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
