Jesus' last words

So many aspersions cast, but so little to back it up. That's where the real deceit lies.

 

the premise of my post is that were zero witnesses other than Jesus, the guards, and pilot
And certainly not 4 different witnesses

 

Indeed, but that's a lot different from your ridiculous claim that "the word of god has been pervasively translated in a misleading way."

So stop trying to mix the two together.

 

The dates of Jesus's birth and death don't matter. What matters is he was crucified and rose from the dead. Too many witnesses to deny that fact.

 

The Apostle Paul says the risen Jesus was seen by at least 500 people. First Corinthians 15:6.

 

The premise of your post for which I was replying to was post #370, where you said: "first off all the gospels tell a different version of the trial story"

There are 4 gospels. So either you're wrong again, or very confused. Neither of which speaks well of you.

 

My post as regarding the trial

 

Oh, sorry. I have a point.....If 4 people see a car accident, there will be 4 different versions, but if they're all honest, they will all agree on who was at fault.

 

Really. Care to post any evidence that they actually saw him rise from the dead. An empty tomb proves nothing.

 

Scripture. First Corinthians 15:6.

 

4 Different 'witnesses'? to the trial. Who actually witnessed the trial? It was held in the inner courts where the public were not admitted
Do you know which year Jesus died? If you don't - and no-one does - then you don't know the events that actually occurred.
Like Christian Easter the Passover Sabbat differed each year. It could be on any day of the week, depending on the year. This is why there is a discrepancy between the stories. You can have 3 Sabbats in 8 days - a normal Sabbat, then the Passover Sabbat sometime during the week, and another normal Sabbat on the 8th day. Depending on which story you read Jesus would not have been crucified before the Passover Sabbat.There was no time to prepare the lamb for the Last Supper. .That was just a friendship meal. No meat is even mentioned which is essential (Lamb shank) for the Passover celebration. If the Passover had been on a Friday, then Jesus would have been in the tomb even longer. If these had been witnesses they would surely have got things right.

The genealogies are wrong anyway, but putting that aside,neither include geneaologies for the 400 years that the Jews were supposed to be in Egypt - though they go back before that. That indicates they were never there anyway.

 

I've explained the genealogies to you and provided links. You appear to be unteachable and deliberately choosing to remain ignorant of the facts.

 

The Jews had no history or identity... Then they were exposed to the rich mythology of the Babylonians.. They took stories from the cultures around them and created an historical narrative about their origins.

Are you familiar with the Ugaritic tablets from the Northcoast Canaanites?

 

1st Corinthians was written between 50-60 AD in Greek.

 

You simply quoted a Biblical explanation. One that does not fit in with the Jewish explanation. And, after all, it is their scriptures, beliefs and culture you are ignoring. Christianity has done this time and again. It's only in the fairly recent past that realism has set in. We can't understand or judge OT - or even - NT Scriptures unless we know the background on which they were written. Lucifer in Isaiah was an invention of an early Christian leader. The mythical story of Job includes his testing by Satan. Satan was a messenger/worker for God to test men's faith. Job passt the test. According to 'Matthew' who includes this test, Jesus past the test. Christianity chooses to deem this an evil act.
You ignore the fact that Christianity depends on the OT.for it wrongly claims that Jesus was prophecied there. He wasn't.. Without Judaism (OT) Christianity has no foundation. Even Paul admits that by using the OT and adapted Jewish teachings. The Hebrews use OT Characters to compare Jesus to as being superior. These people were brought up to believe the OT. If the characters of the OT cannot be proved then what was the point.

I'm not unteachable. I just know more than you about the subject. The explanation you gave me has been around for longer than I can remember.

You want facts. There is no evidence that David was any more than a tribal king who united other tribes Before David. Zilch except what the Bible tells us. Myths, historical places and events known to the Jews were woven into a story which included Creation. A story adapted from much earlier religions. Adam - An adaptation of the Adapa story.. Noahs flood and Gilgamesh. Abraham, Joseph Moses,. the Exodus make a good story when based on known events - destruction of the cities of the plain - Sodom and Gomorrah, known cities, known tribes with whom they themselves had had conflict. If the story were true why did Terah set out for Canaan yet end up in Harah. Less than half way to Haran there was a trade route that went West straight through the desert to Canaan. There was a large watering hole about halfway across and it was a regularly used route. It would have seen him there in the time it took to get to Haran. I guess the 7th century scribes didn't know about it. Or it was to enlarge their story.

 

That's a fallacy. Other factors come into it. In some cases it is quite clear. In others, the onlookers experience comes into it. Knowing the Highway Code comes in handy.

 

Wrong. I can never get past the first few sentences with your posts. The genealogies in Matthew and Luke follow Jewish tra

Yes, you are unteachable, and you don't respect Jewish law in the Old Testament. Those genealogies are right on according to the law. You talk a lot, but that doesn't mean you really know anything.

 

My post was in reply to Ardy's comment: "first off all the "GOSPELS" tell a different version of the trial story." So my reply had nothing to do with the useless blather you are ranting about. It had to do with why we should even expect all "gospels" to tell it exactly the same way. So please stop hijacking my posts with useless ramblings that don't even apply to the post I had made.

 

The same holds true with any of your posts. You refuse to even consider that these events as related cold be in error.

This refusal indicates that you actually know little of what supposedly occurred and do not care to learn.

 

That is not evidence. It’s hearsay.

 

There is no evidence for anything prior to the introduction of David. In fact the Exodus would lead any Jews from Egypt to Egyptian held Palestine. Out of the frying pan into the fire. We have evidence of the uprising of the Palestinian tribes and the overthrow of the Egyptian masters in Palestine. You have evidence of Abraham, Moses etc etc?.

 

More so than you have evidence they didn't exist. I have both the Old Testament and archaeology on my side, you have neither.

https://www.learnreligions.com/archaeological-evidence-abraham-bible-4590053

 

That actually proves nothing. It only shows that the story written by the scribes in the 7th century is based on the world of the time. There are many historical novels that use the same method. . Events in the Bible were known to the scribes. They weren't ignorant of events or isolated from the world. There's no evidence that any of the Patriarchs existed. The very fact that no-one can agree on such things as when these people/events 'actually' existed shows there is no evidence except the Bible. The Bible records that the invading Israelites destroyed 3 cities, but Ai was already destroyed. Jericho was simply a walled - though strongly - village. You can walk around it min 10-15 minutes. It has been shaken and walls have fallen often in its 9000 years history due to it being in an earthquake zone. The latest earthquake being in 1926. Archeaology shows that the indigenous population rebelled and far more cities were destroyed than the Bible says.

Your reference talks about the scribes writing down the 'Oral Tradition'. Oral tradition over 1500 years when the Israelites were not even a nation. If we assume that the descendants of Jacob went into slavery in Egypt (no evidence) there is no evidence that at least one of the families/tribes did not die out. It's simply assumed that 13 families/tribes went into captivity, 13 came out. On the other hand Egyptian archaeology does not show that Israel were in Egypt. Certainly some Semetic tribes went into, and out of, the Nile Delta and some settled. Egyptians used battle captives.as slaves. Archaeology both proves events in the Bible and disproves other records.

 

None of the writers saw the Jesus character get nailed.

 

If so, why would they have to? Many were there who could have described or recorded the events of his last hours. A testimony of which the "writers" could have easily attained.