Jesus was a Jew. Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?

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  1. Ostap Bender

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    Talmud.
    It causes Jews to hate non-Jews.

    Proofs:

    Just google 'Racism in Israel'
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    the left leaning American jews, not the Jews in Israel.

    Israeli Jews support Christians, that is why they are a nuclear power.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    You may benefit from reading world history.
     
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    Assange: Real Threat To US Is Not Russia But Israel
    September 28, 2017
    | Educate!


    “Russian actions on its own doorstep in Eastern Europe do not in fact threaten the United States or any actual vital interest.

    Its ready access to the mainstream media to spread its own propaganda provides it with cover for its actions and it accomplishes all that and more through the agency of a powerful and well-funded domestic lobby that oddly is not subject to the accountability afforded by the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) of 1938 even though it manifestly works on behalf of a foreign government. That country is, of course, Israel,” said Assange.

    The assessment of Israel and what damage it does regarding what most Americans would regard as genuine national interests is most definitely not reported, revealing once again that what is not written is every bit as important as what is.

    The Anti-Semitism bill makes Jews and Jewish interests a legally protected class, immune from any criticism. “Free speech” means in practice that you can burn an American flag, sell pornography, attack Christianity in the vilest terms or castigate the government in Washington all you want but criticizing Israel is off limits if you want to avoid falling into the clutches of the legal system. The Act is a major step forward in effectively making any expressed opposition to Israeli actions a hate crime.

    As the Act is clearly intended to restrict First Amendment rights
    https://popularresistance.org/assange-real-threat-to-us-is-not-russia-but-israel/

    Ok so everyone line up and register a as Jew so you can collect on your rights!
    Should someone start a bill to rename the country 'JSA'!
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Why do some (fill in the blank) hate (fill in the blank)?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    usually due to oppression because of an unfair advantage of some group.
    Making criticism of any racial or political group including the gubmint a crime which includes desecrating and burning its NOW sacred flag is a violation of the constitution of this country, but when did the kleptocratic gubmint and judicial ever give a damn about upholding the constitution when there is power to be had?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Most Jews are capable of thinking critically about the Talmud. The same people who use the Talmud to excuse hatred of non-Jews used the Tanakh (which Christians claim to revere) to do the same. Some of Israel's greatest critics are Jews. Don't buy the nonsense.
     
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    LOL

    The white supremacy movement in America doesn't ask for passports or quiz them about their opinions of Christians before shooting them in synagogues.

    Their Nazi flags and other icons don't have a caveat in the lower right corner saying "except those who like Christians".
     
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    That may be true.

    But, there is no denying the racist nature of the government of Israel.

    And, I don't see their religious right working to fix that. Instead, many support augmenting the divide.
     
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    It is true.

    Or the racist nature of the scriptures. But, again, don't confuse Jews for Israel. Talk to some Jews some time. You won't find any problem finding critics of Israel.

    But, if you look harder, you'll find plenty of Jews who aren't that fond of the religious right.
     
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    I appreciate the good intentions, but the Talmud is not what non-Jews think. One can find every possible opinion and its opposite in this book. It has two parts: the laws (Mishna) and discussions about the meaning and real life applications (Gemara). It's not a manual, it's open to very diverse interpretations. One has to be familiar with the Torah and many rabbinical writings to understand the Talmud.
     
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    Oh? So it comes with a secret Dick Tracy decoder ring that only Jews possess?
    So then it really is what Jews think and you are double-talking again?
    It says plenty that is point blank, no interpretation required, in fact I posted several quotes that are straight up.
    The same 'apology' could be made for the bible
     
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    Good point. The issue here is Israel.

    And, that has been my point before, and I'm sticking with that.

    It does remain a fact that Israel has apartheid policies at home and has found some way to justify ethnic cleansing in West Bank and perpetual war on Gaza.
     
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    It comes with Midrashim, Tosafot, Rambam's Mishneh Torah, ideas from rabbinical works badly misinterpreted by those who are not familiar with the context. All this literature have been translated, it's available, all you have to do is google. Oh, and ask a rabbi if the text is hard to understand. This is what rabbis are for.

    Is ad hominem your best argument?

    There are no dogmas in Judaism. Everything is open to discussions and interpretations. It's called "pilpul". Have you even tried to read the Talmud?

    Jews don't think this or that. Individual Jews have individual thoughts. We're not a hive.

    Ignoring the context again?

    So what?
     
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    And I appreciate that good intentions as well, but the above is entirely compatible with what I've said about the Talmud.
     
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    Textual criticism is not a "decoder ring that only Jews possess." No doubt you'll need quite a bit of knowledge of the language and history of the texts, but it isn't hereditary.
     
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    pointing out and exposing your double talk is is not an ad hom
    looks pretty doggy to me!
    https://www.jewishideas.org/article...l-debates-creating-jewish-unity-age-confusion
    Dogma, Heresy, and Classical Debates: Creating Jewish Unity in an Age of Confusion
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    Rabbi Hayyim Angel is the National Scholar of the Institute for Jewish Ideas and Ideals. He has taught advanced Bible courses to undergraduate, graduate, and rabbinical students at Yeshiva University since 1996. He also serves as the Tanakh Education Scholar at Yeshivat Ben Porat Yosef in Paramus, New Jersey. He lectures widely in synagogues and schools throughout North America. He lives in Teaneck, New Jersey, with his wife and four children. This article appears in issue 27 of Conversations, the journal of the Institute for Jewish Ideas and Ideals.
    Judaism includes the basic tenets of belief in one God, divine revelation of the Torah including an Oral Law, divine providence, reward-punishment, and a messianic redemption. Although there have been debates over the precise definitions and boundaries of Jewish belief, these core beliefs have been universally accepted as part of our tradition.[1] [Dogma :icon_shithitsthefan]

    The question for believing Jews today is, how should we relate to the overwhelming majority of contemporary Jews, who likely do not fully believe in classical Jewish beliefs? Two medieval models shed light on this question.

    Rambam: Dogmatic Approach

    Rambam insists that proper belief is essential. Whether one intentionally rejects Jewish beliefs, or is simply mistaken or uninformed, non-belief leads to one’s exclusion from the Jewish community [IOW 'hive'] and from the World to Come:

    Yes all that dogma!
    Some of it is written at a primer school level, get serious.
    I dont need a rabbi to tell me lies, there are plenty of people on this board for that.
    Im sure you have talked yourself into that.
    no but by all means apologize for all the evil **** they say to your hearts content.
    So you arent as special as you would like to believe.
    brilliant!
    Get crackin apologize away!

    From wiki

    Jewish law, Talmud and Racism
    It is an urgent topic, but somehow the wikipedia still lacks any serious discussion about this issue. I came across some site that even concludes that this Holy Book ("The Talmud") is the "Mein Kampf" of the "Chosen People".

    well, it seems like an extreme accusation, so it is natural to ask, are there any controversial laws in the Talmud or it is much ado about nothing.

    So, with your king permission, let me just quote and discuss some issues in halacha, that in my humble opinion are sort of relevant here.

    • "A Jew who rapes a gentile 3-year-old girl, because he raped her viciously, this girl is put to death, because she "brought" shame on the Jewish people, like a case a Jew coupling with an animal, the animal is to be executed as mentioned elsewhere. (Maimonides, chapter 12 of The Laws of Forbidden Relationships, halacha 8-9).[1]
    • "Ones' ox that injured a pregnant maidservant and she miscarried, the owner of the ox is exempt from payment for her offspring, for this is similar to injuring a pregnant she-ass".(Maimonides in chapter 11 of The Laws of Monetary Damage, halacha 4).[2]
    (This revered scholar even explains himself very well, here is an exact quotation:
    "This is our law! And do not find it difficult, and don't be surprised by it, just as one is not surprised about the slaughter of animals even though they have done no harm, for, one in whom human characteristics are not complete is not truly a man, and his end purpose is only for 'man' (i.e. the Jew)". (Maimonides commentary on the Mishnah in Tractate Baba Kama, chapter 4, mishnah 3).
    • A Jew who killed a Gentile with intent is not put to death by the Beit Din, as he would be had he killed a Jew. (Maimonides in The Laws of a Murderer and Saving Life, chapter 2, halacha 10-11).[3]
    • A gentile who killed a Jew without intent, even though he did it unintentionally, he is put to death.(Maimonidesin chapter 5 of The Laws of a Murderer and Protecting Life, halacha 4)[4]
    TALMUD RACISM?

    I'm not sure as whether this information is true or false that's why I didn't bother to edit the Talmud page.

    Where a Jew Should Do Evil

    Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

    Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

    Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

    Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

    Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

    O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

    Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

    Jews Have Superior Legal Status

    Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

    Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

    Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

    Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

    Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

    Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

    Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

    Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

    Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

    Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

    Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

    Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

    Insults Against Blessed Mary

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Talmud/Archive_3

    Then of course the very humanity that the Jews expressly hate are expected to love the Jews for their hared of them in return.
     
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    I chose to reply to this little gem because it's representative of the lies, blatant manipulations, and mind-boggling ignorance of the sources you use.

    Baba Kama is a tractate in the Talmud. The Talmud was written c. 6th century CE and further edited for two centuries. Maimonides lived in the 12th century. Please explain how could the authors of the Talmud quote Maimonides in a book they wrote 4-6 centuries before Maimonides was born.
     
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    the Christians who like country music are bigger victims of white supremacy than the Jews in America
     
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    read much?

    yeh that a Maimonides comment on the talmud, Mishnah in Tractate Baba Kama, chapter 4, mishnah 3).

    So what?
     
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    Changing your own text much?

    What is the source of the Maimonides quote, then?
     
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    Its not my own text, your first mistake,
    I edited to crayola the language he used so you could comprehend it, since you had the authors intended meaning backwards. Oh yeh, your welcome.
     
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    You edited a text you didn't write in the first place to change its meaning. Charming.

    How was I supposed to know it wasn't your text if you didn't mention it wasn't your text? Source, please.
     
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    Like the bible and Christianity cause them to hate Jews.

    Regards
    DL
     

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