Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

Christmas message: Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

Every Christmas Palestine celebrates the birth of one of its own, Jesus Christ. As Palestinians, we continue to yearn for justice and peace in the holy land and this year, our hope is renewed as we prepare to receive his H.H. Pope Francis I.

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called Jesus a role model for the Palestinians, in a Christmas message from the West Bank Monday.

Referring to Christ as "a Palestinian messenger," Abbas said that "as we Palestinians strive for our freedom two millennia later, we do our best to follow his example. We work with hope, seeking justice, in order to achieve a lasting peace."

He criticized Israeli restrictions on the entry of Palestinians living abroad into the West Bank, as well as Israel's controversial West Bank security barrier, which cuts off Bethlehem, which he charged "steals land."

"We celebrate Christmas in Bethlehem under occupation," he said in the Christmas statement from Ramallah.

Abbas, scheduled to attend Christmas in Bethlehem on the southern West Bank Tuesday, Christian Arabs were not a minority in Palestine, but "an integral part of the Palestinian people."

The vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, however, are Sunni Muslims.

He expressed hope that the upcoming visit of Pope Francis to the Holy Land in March would be "a good opportunity for Christians from all over the world to come closer to their sisters and brothers in Palestine, and for His Holiness to spread the message of justice and peace for the Palestinians, as for all peoples of the world."

Abbas said he was committed "to bringing a just peace to the region" through negotiations with Israel by ending the occupation and the establishment "of a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian State on the 1967 border with East Jerusalem as its capital."

The annual traditional Christmas procession from the Christian Quarter in Jerusalem's Old City to Bethlehem, led by Latin Patriarch Fouad Twal, is scheduled to leave shortly after 12 A.M.

The traditional Christmas mass is scheduled to start at 11:30 P.M.

Stand Up For Hope, Peace And Justice in Palestine

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MERRY CHRISTMAS - GOODWILL TO ALL .

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.564989
23/12/2013

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I also hope your holiday is wonderful, and that peace and joy are yours. Yet expecting Christians to be Christ like is a bit naïve. As would be expecting you to follow your own faith.

 

Is this an indirect message to Palestinians to convert to Christianity?

 

Make of itb whatever you like , but there;s always been a fair number of Christians within Palestine - before the influx of Europe's AshkeNazis - ZioNazi Jews - ther;e was more Christian Palestinians than Mizrahi Jews .

Watch - Listen and Learn

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MERRY CHRISTMAS - PEACE + - GOODWILL TO ALL.

... Jingle Bells etc. (wink)

 

My Christian Palestinian friends say :



WE ARE NOT ALONE -


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I knew this thread was all a bunch of Palestinian propaganda, so I checked it out. First of all Jesus Christ was not a so called 'Palestinian', and Christ was crucified because the Jews wanted a political leader and not a spiritual leader. So to talk of the Islamic political aspirations and compare it to the Word of God that Christ brought to the world is plain falsehood.

We have to see the flight of the Christians from Bethlehem in relation to the flight of all the Christians from the Middle East ...and their persecution and attacks are not coming from the Israelis. Anyway this is what I found:

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"...As soon as he took over Bethlehem, Arafat unilaterally fired the city’s Christian politicians and replaced them with Muslim cronies. He appointed a Muslim governor, Muhammed Rashad A-Jabar, and deposed Bethlehem’s city council, which had nine Christians and two Muslims, reducing the number of Christians councilors to a 50-50 split.

Arafat then converted a Greek Orthodox monastery next to the Church of Nativity, the believed birthplace of Jesus, into his official Bethlehem residence.

Suddenly, after the Palestinians gained the territory, reports of Christian intimidation by Muslims began to surface.

Christian leaders and residents told WND they face an atmosphere of regular hostility. They said Palestinian armed groups stir tension by holding militant demonstrations and marches in the streets. They spokes of instances in which Christian shopkeepers’ stores were ransacked and Christian homes attacked.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/media-distort-fabricate-bethlehem-christmas/#JKIUchfLvdqTt4Zg.99

 

It seems to me the Christians in that part of the world have two choices, support the Muslim Palestinians and face economic pressure from Israel, or support the Israelis and end up having your home burned and maybe being killed. I was amazed at how quickly the damages which was done to the Church of the Nativity by the Palestinian fighters who were holed up there were covered up, but then again Islam thrives on fear and intimidation. An Egyptian Imam on TV was quite proud of the fact that converts were killed. "Had it not been so," he said, "Islam today would not exist."

 

Jenny = it looks like you're *issing up the wrong tree - again - no one said - claim that Jesus was Palestinian - in the modern use of that term
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PLease go back and see if you can spot the word "Role Model " i.e. a ROLE MODEL for todays PALESTINIANS , got it ?


On the other hand , Jesus was also NOT a Jew in accordance with todays useage of that term - WHILE , at the time of his birth + death - He was (I think) officially a Citizen of the Roman Province of Palestine , why else was it necessary for a ROMAN Governor to be placed in a position to carry out the wishes of the Sadducee.Pharisee Jewish Priests ?

What crime was Jesus accused of and by whom ?

Remember Muslims wasn't around at that time .


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Similar things can be said abt all three Abrahamic derived belief systems .

Jenny - There ARE + there'll ALWAYS be Imams/ Priests / Rabbis etc.etc, who'll make IDIOTIC statements which other IDIOTS will pick up and use in discussion like this .

Let;s see if we can rise above the idiots instead of quoting them . (wink)


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Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

Maybe so however I doubt Jesus would approve of their failure to emulate his peaceful message and instead wish to destroy and entire nation and her peoples rather than live in peace alongside them.

 

Seriously, no sh^t? That's just too bad that the New Testament was not aware of Abbas's earth-shattering discovery and constantly referred to Jesus as king of the Jews. and not as "Palestinian messenger'. I guess now the New Testament needs to be rewritten...but then the Palestinians and their misguided western supporters are quite adept at rewriting history, I bet they are up to the task LOL

 

Were Jesus to walk into a Palestinian bar and announce himself as a rabbi who knew the scriptures and declare Himself the King of the Jews, only Divine Intervention would keep Him from becoming Swiss Cheese within a picosecond. So declaring Him a Palestinian messenger" is a bit in error, to say the least.

 

What a wonderful fantasy most of this thread.

My bible says that the apostles were Jews, that the first followers of Yeshu (Jesus) were Jews, that Jesus came for "his people" and Jesus was a Jew.

Who cares if 35% of Palestinians are Christians? Such won't change the fact that right or wrong Jewish people will always have God's preference, even if Christians, Muslims, and others reject them.

What it matters is what God prefers and cares for, not so what men feel and think.

The Messiah will come back, no doubt about it, and he will hug his people (Jewish and true believers in the Messiah who keep God's commandments) while he will kick the butt of Palestinians if they do attack the Jewish population by any means.

 

Palestine used to be one of the Christian Centers the others were Alexandria, Antioch, Damascus, Constantinople and Rome. Palestinians are maybe starting to realize their true heritage and roots which is Christianity. Jesus Christ represented everyone, he was the Son of God born of a Jew and God for all not just the Jews.

This move by Abbas could trigger a reaction from Hamas whom they have vowed to convert the entire Palestine region into Islam and destroy Israel in the name of Islam. Abbas is moving away from Islamic ideology and understood that a two State can co-exist only in a secular manner.

 

I have to agree on what Jeannette wrote - It seems to me the Christians in that part of the world have two choices, support the Muslim Palestinians and face economic pressure from Israel, or support the Israelis and end up having your home burned and maybe being killed.

 

It has always been my belief that most of today's "Palestinians" are the descendants of the Israelites.

 

You can expand that to cover most of the Muslim world.

 

ROTFL,
Well, if you can invent a fictitious nation called Palestinians, even though the same people have no sound for 'PA' in their language, you can pretend a Jew that was crucified for being 'king of the Jews' is part of your fictitious nation.

 

"Palestine" was non existent then, and Jesus does not care about occupiers and rulers,, he cares about the soul of the individual and their place in heaven. Abbas is just trying to twist another persons religion for his own power. If they liked the 67 borders, they should have gone to war to expand them. You cant keep trying to wipe out the Israelis and get your land back when it goes wrong. There has to be consequences.

 

How many conquering nations have settled there since then? Is this based on DNA evidence, or feeling?

 

Alll of u dont get it ...do u ?
EVERY BODY LIVING IN PALESTINA R PALESTINIANS !!!
JESUS WAS A JEW AND THE JEWS WERE AND R NOW LIVING IN PALASTINE.. SO WE THE JEWS R ALSO PALESTINIANS !!!
FOR 2 THOUSANDS OF YEARS THE JEWS PRAYED FOR RETURN TO JERUSALEM THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL ..AND THE MOMENT THE WORD PALESTRINA WAS INVENTED...HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO THE JEWS PRAYED FOR RETURN TO PALESTRINA !!!

JEWS NEVER LEFT PALESTINE=ISRAEL AND SO THEY AS PEOPLE JEWS LIVING IN PALESTINA ...ARE PALESTINIANS ..JUST LIKE PEOPLE LIVING IN ARABIA R CALLED ARABS
AND INDIANS LIVING IN INDIA=AMERICA ARE CALLED INDIANS .
MAPS CLEARLY SHOW THAT THE AREA CALLED ARABIA DOES NOT INCLUDE ISRAEL!!!

AND IF SOME COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD CALLS TODAY PALESTINIANS ONLY THE ARABS LIVING IN ISRAEL.( ( not including the jews ). SO I SH#$ ON THEM !!!
AND IF THE ROMANS OR GREEK OR SOME OTHER SH@# CALLED THE LAND OF ISRAEL I SH@# ON THEM TOO !!!
I HOPE I CAN USE THE WORD SH@# AND IF ITS NOT ALLOWED I AM SORRY PLEASE MODERATE ME AND ILL EDIT MY POST .

 

DNA evidence of the Jewish diaspora has never properly proven a mass exodus into Europe. Most Jewish populations in Europe don't prop up until about 300AD. If the diaspora was legit, why isn't there evidence of a Jewish population in Europe within 100 years of it happening ?

My contention is the diaspora, if it even happened, consisted of Middle Eastern Jews who simply moved to other Middle Eastern lands (Iran, Iraq, Yemen, etc ....)

When Palestinian was created after Israel came into formation, it consisted of refugees from Jordan and Lebanon - they were Arabs, yes - but I will always contend that the Arab population in and around Israel are the logical descendant of the Isralties who either converted to Islam or were put to the sword.

 

Why would you 'always contend' something so without a basis of fact ?

reva

 

I like your post. I believe that, at the end, there is only ONE GOD, with many names and many "faces."

Each culture, each time, has developed its own "image" of God, because of human limitations in realizing the full, overwhelming and diverse influence of ONE God over the whole universe. Still. . . no matter what HE/SHE/IT is called, it is still ONE GOD, and the many prophets are just the representation of the manmade images of that ONE God.

I like this comment:

 

You are spewing nothing but lies, numerous genetic studies prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming majority of Jews including the Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the neolithic Levant, modern Jews are the indigenous people of modern Israel and the direct descendents of the Israelites who themselves were the descendants of the Canaanites who adopted monotheism so stuff your Khazar conspiracy nonsense.


The prevailing opinion today is that the Israelites, who eventually evolved into modern Jews and Samaritans, are an outgrowth of the indigenous Canaanites who had resided in the area since the 8th millennium BCE.[8] The name Israel first appears c. 1209 BCE, at the end of the Late Bronze Age and the very beginning of the period archaeologists and historians call Iron Age I, in an inscription of the Egyptian pharaoh Merneptah. The inscription is very brief and says simply: "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not". The hieroglyph accompanying the name "Israel" indicates that it refers to a people, most probably located in the highlands of Samaria.[9] Over the next two hundred years (the period of Iron Age I) the number of highland villages increased from 25 to over 300[10] and the settled population doubled to 40,000.[11] There is general agreement that the majority of the population living in these villages was of Canaanite origin.[10] By the 10th century BCE a rudimentary state had emerged in the north-central highlands,[12] and in the 9th century this became a kingdom. The kingdom was sometimes called Israel by its neighbours, but more frequently it was known as the "House (or Land) of Omri."[13] Settlement in the southern highlands was minimal from the 12th through the 10th centuries BCE, but a state began to emerge there in the 9th century,[14] and from 850 BCE onwards a series of inscriptions are evidence of a kingdom which its neighbours refer to as the "House of David."[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#Historical_Israelites


^ Tubb, Johnathon (1998 ). Canaanites University of Oklahoma Press, http://books.google.com/books/about/Canaanites.html?id=GH-n4ctvlDYC

McNutt, Paula (1999). Reconstructing the Society of Ancient Israel. Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0-664-22265-9. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...srael++By+Paula+M.+McNutt#v=onepage&q&f=false

Grabbe, Lester L., ed. (2008 ). Israel in Transition: From Late Bronze II to Iron IIa (c. 1250–850 B.C.E.). T&T Clark International. ISBN 978-0-567-02726-9. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...+IIa+(c.+1250-850+B.C.E.)#v=onepage&q&f=false

Joffe, Alexander H. (2006). The Rise of Secondary States in the Iron Age Levant. University of Arizona Press. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...&sig=AHIEtbSIm7oZkrq-cmEGQ9VcnnvfejrQSQ&pli=1

Davies, Philip R. (1992). In Search of Ancient Israel. Sheffield. ISBN 978-1-85075-737-5. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...+search+of+Ancient+Israel#v=onepage&q&f=false


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

M. F. Hammer*†‡,
A. J. Redd*†,
E. T. Wood*†,
M. R. Bonner*,
H. Jarjanazi*,
T. Karafet*,
S. Santachiara-Benerecetti¶,
A. Oppenheim‖,
M. A. Jobling**,
T. Jenkins‡‡,
H. Ostrer††, and
B. Bonné-Tamir§

Author Affiliations

*Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel

Communicated by Arno G. Motulsky, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (received for review November 17, 1999)

I guess the Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and the peer review process of the University of Washington are all in on the Jewish conspiracy.

There were only two Israeli medical laboratories involved in the study the ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; and the §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel, so I guess that invalidates the entire study in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.
1) Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program, NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; 2) Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 3) Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; 4) Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 5) Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; 6) Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ.

I suppose the Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; the Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; the Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; the Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and the Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed American Journal of Human Genetics.

In this case the only Israeli University involved in the study was Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; so I guess that once again the entire study is invalidated in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103. The Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

I guess the Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, and the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed Nature Magazine.

Uh oh in this case we have 4 Israeli out of total of 13 Universities involved in the study, they are the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

Now let us look at some of the studies themselves:



1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103.

The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. “All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

The concept of the “Jewish people” remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims —except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own ‘right of return’.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February.

While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonenti...l-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

Further down in the same article, Haaretz at least mentions that there is another side to what genetics tell us about the origins of European Jews. It refers to the work of Professor Harry Ostrer, who is the author of "The Genetic History of the Jews," a new book also published this year by Oxford University Press. Looking at his credentials, his work should have been at the top of the story. Ostrer served as the director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, where he worked for more than two decades. Today he is head of genetic testing at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Unlike Elhaik, he does not accept the argument that European Jewry comes from Central Asia but rather he says that Jews around the world can trace their genetic history to the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=3131

Ostrer, Harry. Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, Oxford University Press, 2012 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RayZR3V1SFwC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes


...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East

Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event

DNA Evidence

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]


Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery

More abject BS, genetic studies also prove conclusively that the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians are not indigenous to the Levant but rather to Arabia and are recent immigrants who did not arrive in the Levant until the Islamic conquests.


The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people
Doron M. Behar1,2*, Bayazit Yunusbayev2,3*, Mait Metspalu2*, Ene Metspalu2, Saharon Rosset4, Ju¨ri Parik2,
Siiri Rootsi2, Gyaneshwer Chaubey2, Ildus Kutuev2,3, Guennady Yudkovsky1,5, Elza K. Khusnutdinova3,
Oleg Balanovsky6, Ornella Semino7, Luisa Pereira8,9, David Comas10, David Gurwitz11, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir11,
Tudor Parfitt12, Michael F. Hammer13, Karl Skorecki1,5 & Richard Villems2


Populations of the Caucasus,
flanked by Cypriots, form an almost uninterrupted rim that separates
the bulk of Europeans from Middle Eastern populations. Bedouins,
Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians are located in close
proximity to each other, which is consistent with a common origin
in the Arabian Peninsula25,

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