Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

OK, OK, OK, if this makes your boat float.................................

 

Well I agree with the truism, absolutely correct... Have you ever thought about what you wrote and also implemented it???

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Baloney......

 

Coming from those that say recorded history is a zionist lie.......

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He hates "Jew lovers" too

 

This largesse goes to defray Armament extended to us according to our needs and the American wishes for our security.
These moneys do not even pass though our books but they are paid directly to the factories that keep them buzzing.
Americans cannot rely on any safe harbor in the M.E. nor Turkey and their only choice is ISRAEL...

I remember reading that without the American help (from soup to nuts) Chamberlain and others in the UK would have been standing erect (achtung) and communicating in German. Your country is the most duplicitous country in the world and do not forget it! So do not find fault with us to please your Muslim friends... We are better in many ways.... put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Utter dreck - we've been over that crap umpteen times, the only ones who agrees with you are your fellow Arab haters .

Why do you keep referring to the Khazar CONSPIRACY theories . Who are the CONSPIRATORS and what do they stand to gain ?

AFAI can tell - the most obvious liars are the Zionists .


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The only dreck is your neo-Nazi Khazar conspiracy theory bull(*)(*)(*)(*) along with your holocaust denial ripped right from the front pages of your favorite source IE the British National Front founded and National Alliance run IHR.

The Khazar bull(*)(*)(*)(*) most certainly falls into the realm of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. the same as Holocaust denial and "Jews did 9-11" nuts, the evidence is just as convincing and the lack of logic just as baffling.

All of your claims have been exposed as lies by numerous peer reviewed genetic studies, your argument is a damn joke based on nothing but your own overt anti-Semitism.

 

I realize that so I suggest you and Marlowe stop posting your laughable nonsense as there is absolutely nothing false about the unequivocal historical facts which I have posted.

 

I;m deeply wounded by your words .

My New Year resolution will incl. - seeking a remedy for my anti- Semitism , Every semite I come across .

HAPPY NEW YEAR - Oy-Vey,

 

Yes master I - you.


My New Year resolution is to obey you and agree with your interpretation - UNEQUIVICAL HISTORICAL FACTS - which are of course caste in stone. From now on - I 'll agree with everything

You're truly worthy of

Oy-Vey

( "Ehem) .


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lol you're ridiculous, the Natufians were the Canaanites and the Israelites were the Canaanites who adopted monotheism, once again modern Jews can trace their genetic lineage to the neolithic Levant more than 10,000 years ago IE to the Natufians.

The death of the Native Americans was not an extermination it was an unintended side effect caused by viral infection due to the indigenous peoples not having the immunities of the European colonialists as a result of thousands of years of physical separation. Yes slavery and Jim Crow were terrible, but the Arab world ended slavery much later (and still practice it in the form of indentured servitude) and still practices apartheid and gender segregation. Israel has no such history.

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You're a holocaust denier, a promoter of the Khazar conspiracy theories, and regularly post from the British National Front founded and National Alliance run neo-Nazi propaganda rag the IHR, you are long ago exposed as to who and what you are.

 

I posted a link to Khazar history... What is the problem? Are you ashamed or something?

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A holocaust denier? Are you nuts?

 

It's a fiction long debunked by numerous genetic studies. There is no genetic or archaeological evidence pointing to a mass Khazarian conversion to Judaism, there is only evidence that the ruling elite converted.



1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103.

The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. “All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

The concept of the “Jewish people” remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims —except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own ‘right of return’.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February.

While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonenti...l-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

Further down in the same article, Haaretz at least mentions that there is another side to what genetics tell us about the origins of European Jews. It refers to the work of Professor Harry Ostrer, who is the author of "The Genetic History of the Jews," a new book also published this year by Oxford University Press. Looking at his credentials, his work should have been at the top of the story. Ostrer served as the director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, where he worked for more than two decades. Today he is head of genetic testing at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Unlike Elhaik, he does not accept the argument that European Jewry comes from Central Asia but rather he says that Jews around the world can trace their genetic history to the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=3131

Ostrer, Harry. Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, Oxford University Press, 2012 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RayZR3V1SFwC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes


...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East

Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event

DNA Evidence

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]


Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery

Nope, that was a response to Marlowe not you, and he/she is an overt holocaust denier.

 

Honestly, we dont give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what you will do with your life, but every time youll post lies - they will be flushed.

off you go to pose the new nazi salute in the mirror, white power !!

 

There is no challenge to the reality of the holocaust or the Khazars.

And, the Khazar history should not be a threat to you.. Berbers and Yemeni also converted.

 

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I wish to repent and be forgiven for ever doubting anything you say .


Zionists never lie - they are the most honest and truthful people in the world. They deserve being -

Peace in 2014 is only possible by the whole world placing absolute/unquestioning - trust in all who support Israel.


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LOLOLOL Don't you know that there is a history of the Arabs long before Islam?

 

there is no historical evidence that large numbers of Khazars converted and that the majority of Ashkenazi jews are descended from converted Khazars.

as for genetic evidence? the evidence shows that Ashkenazis have VERY little in common with modern-cay Caucacus peoples, such as the Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Dagestanis, Chechnyans.

the Khazar-origin theory is basically just a fantasy.

 

Finally something relevant from your messages.

It is correct, the elite of Khazar converted to LEVITICAL Judaism.

The claims of Khazar people converting into Jews is false. Some inhabitants claimed to be descendants of Levi and Simeon. The conversion was in base of the claims that some of them were descendants of these tribes of Israel. I posted before that genetically the Cohen family differentiates from the rest of the Levi family by a genetic mark, which might happen to be a mutation by their ancestors being exposed to the smoke of daily sacrifices throughout generations.

The elite in Khazar opted for Cohenic Levitical status while the rest of converts opted for ordinary Levitical status... no one opted to be a Jew, but returning back to Judaism, which in this case won't mean to become a Jew but to "praise Yah" (Jah in current biblical translations, as seen in Psalms, "Praise Jah, you people") Praising "Jah" is more than praising, and implies recognizing YHWH as their god, and obeying the Levitical Law.

Now well, by fact, Cohen and the rest of Levites are not Jews but people who practice Judaism, still their tribe is Levi.

Today's confusion is to believe that Levites are Jews, and that any descendant of the twelve tribes of Israel is a Jew, and this is 100% incorrect because reality shows that is on the reverse, that Jews are Israelites.

When one looks for genetic main source for Jews, the first step will be finding Israel, to later find Shem. This is to say, the assumed oldest genetic pool is not Jewish but Shemitic (Semitic) which includes far beyond than the descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

The unfortunate belief that the genetic pool ends with Jewish title is part of fanaticism or common error, as unfortunate is the idea that in Khazar the elite was trying to be Jews instead of practicing Judaism. To put clear this last part: not all Jews practice Judaism.

Genetics will show that several people will share the Semite common ancestor, and included will be the families descendants of Abraham, which were many other than Issac and Jacob's sons. And Abraham himself has lots of families members according to the biblical relate. To conclude, Jews by genetic findings must agree with historical relates, and play its presence around 2000 BC. The other genetic findings going forward in the past won't be of Jews but of ancestors who weren't Jews (can't happen that Issac was a Jew because Judah wasn't born yet).

 

Dude, "Jew" or "Judaean" is now an all-encompasing term that refers to all the descendants of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and converts to their national-faith.

 

And this is what I'm talking about when I said that calling Jews to the rest of the tribes of Israel is fanatiscim or common error.

 

all the peoples of Israel are refered to as "Jews", in the Old and New Testaments after a certain point.

this is a translation of the Hebrew word "Yehudi, which means "person of Judah". But it includes folks from lots of other tribes that lived in the Kingdom of Judah and weren't taken away with the 10 Lost Tribes of the Kingdom of Israel.

 

It was the hunting to near-extinction of the American bison, by white men, upon which the native Americans relied for food and shelter which was the primary cause of death among them; through exposure and starvation. There were only a few hundred Bison left by the 1880s, mainly due to the deliberate US government policy of industrialised slaughter of Bison herds. Plains Indians had a choice; leave their lands and go into reservations, or starve.

 

I'm from Missouri--you'll have to show me