Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    got yourself a Bible?

    read it.
     
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    I have it right here and nothing supports the crappy idea that Israelites were called Jews in the Old and New Testament... maybe you have a pirate version of the bible and in yours it says different.
     
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    see the Book of Esther.
     
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    As it is known, the Southern kingdom of Judah was conformed by two tribes: Judah and Benjamin. The other ten tribes are not included in the kingdom of Judah.

    The genetic map should find the difference between Judah and Benjamin descendants, avoiding this separation is spreading lies that both tribes are genetically the same.

    Like saying that people coming from Italy to America must be considered genetically the same than the descendants of the England pilgrims, such is stupidity, even if historically both are called US Americans by living in the same country under the same laws.

    In this case, when both tribes received the same denomination of Yahudim because the land was called kingdom of Judah, solely in this case they receive the denomination -as Italians living in this land as Americans- of Jews.

    We are talking of the other tribes, which weren't part of the kingdom of Judah, these tribes are not Jews in any side of history.

    Your example in the Old Testament is limited to the tribe of Benjamin, which genetically are not Jews even when they were called Jews by their place of residence. From here, it should be stupid from your part trying to generalize this special situation to call Jews to the rest of the tribes of Israel as well.

    In the New Testament, Yeshu (Jesus) was very clear that he didn't even come for the Jews, but that he came for "the lost sheep" (read lost ten tribes) of Israel. Jews were so jealous with the prodigal son parable which signified that Israel (the lost ten tribes which forgot YHWH and became idolaters in their exile) will return back to YHWH and will receive the same benefits than Judah (who stayed and kept the Law). Several times parable after parable Israel descendants were promised to return back to YHWH and that will enjoy the same reward than Jews who suffered a lot trying to keep the Torah and traditions... surely Jews were not happy at all with Jesus. No wonder why they planned to kill him.

    In the New Testament one can observe the huge difference between Jews and the rest of tribes. Notice that 70 messengers were sent to spread out the good news and weren't suppose to stop near Jerusalem but to travel far away... yes, far away beyond the Euphrates looking for the lost ten tribes of Israel.

    There is no mention of descendants of these ten lost ten tribes of Israel called Jews, unless the Greek translation implies it that way by ignorance or convenience of the translators, like some translations in English from the Greek New Testament call a way of life as "Greeks" instead of "Hellenistic" as the original Greek mentions it.
     
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    and yet the New Testament says: "for salvation is of the Jews".
     
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    Your poor understanding of the bible is obvious.

    The word game is enforced in several aspects.

    The Messiah was assumed to be a descendant of David (called as Son of David in some New Testament verses) David was a Jew. Then, salvation will come from a Jew, from a descendant of Judah. No other tribe of Israel, no other nation or people is selected for the Messiah's ancestry but Judah.

    On the other hand, the word game is "Jew" itself, Yahudi/Yahudim which means "the ones praising YHWH" from the name given toJudah, a name given by such praising from her mother.

    I pointed before that even Catholics are Jewish, Yahudim, Jews, when they praise YHWH (the same god with the same name)

    This generalization ends when we go to specific and Catholics are no more Jews because they do not keep the Torah but they have created their own doctrines, even when they do worship and praise YHWH.

    If you were to use the word Jew to anyone who praises YHWH, then you have millions and millions of Jews who pray the rosary, use crosses in their necks instead of the Star of David, etc. And you must recognize that such is stupid. It must be a separation at one point to classify properly who is whom.
     
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    Why so many people put credence in the non-historical contents of the NT, much of which is contradictory hogwash, is beyond me. There are separate sub-forums for this kind of thing.
     
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