Jesus was the first Republican:

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that when dealing with churlish conservatives it is impossible to correct their outrageous misconceptions and ignorance. Just doesn't penetrate. Exactly like dealing with people of faith - it just all bounces off their foreheads.
     
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    No I don't get it.

    You persist in this ridiculous fantasy that the constitution makes big government illegal. Its simply not true.

    I can't imagine you every passing a civics class with that level of understanding./
     
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    this is kindergarten level but the Federal govt was given only a few carefully "enumerated powers." Most powers were reserved to the states and people.

    Here's what the author said :

    James Madison in Federalist paper NO. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce."

    Now you have ask yourself from whom did you learn history and why were they manipulating you so badly if not because they were, at heart, liberal communists?
     
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    especially when you are afraid a present a good example of this ignorance, despite being asked 7 times now, let alone attempt to confute the so called ignorance.
     
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    you said Romans celebrated a few individuals while I said God created all men equal and thus all men were celebrated and loved by God as individuals. This concept from God eventually became the basis for America. Now do you understand why we say Jesus was the first Republican.
     
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    god did not create all men equal at least according to the bible.
    God does not love and celebrate all men as individuals, at least according to the bible.
    BTW "GOD" in his manifestation as Jesus did not "create" anyone.

    and thinking Jesus was the first republican is an absurd and patently demonstrably false conceit (at least based on the current "republican" platform).

    Not that you want to understand this obvious reality.
     
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    Asking 7 times and getting the same result. Hmmmmmmmm, how many more before you qualify?
     
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    if so why so afraid to tell us how he did create then???
     
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    It would appear I get my education from far more reliable and accurate sources than you do.

    Madison also said:

    "The national government should be armed with positive and compleat authority in all cases which require uniformity."

    But feel free to offer up yet another lame attempt to propagate a far right myth. For such staunch "patriots" to have such a fundamental misunderstanding of one of their founding documents is ironically pathetic.
     
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    especially when you are afraid a present a good example of this supposed conservative ignorance, despite being asked 8 times now. How will you learn if you are afraid to try?
     
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    so???? regulation of trade[ free trade actually] and naturalization are among the very few enumerated powers of the tiny tiny federal govt that Madison conceived. It is my honor to walk you through this.
     
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    Correction. These are conservative governments.
     
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    Our Founding Fathers did not believe in engaging in foreign wars. Only conservatives such as Hitler, Bush, and Trump do.
     
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    Nowhere in the Constitution is the Pentagon and the military industrial complex authorized. Anybody who disapproves of Big Government needs to condemn those institutions. If they have any principle at all, this is what they would demand.
     
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    I am always amazed at how many "Merkins" know so little about the consititution yet insist they do.
     
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    do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    "The national government should be armed with positive and compleat authority in all cases which require uniformity."

    ALL CASES REQUIRING UNIFORMITY. Maybe you should consider what business of the nation and its constituent parts requires UNIFORMITY.

    No honor at all accures to you since it is never honorable to knowingly spew misinterpretation and misinformation. IN fact its rather slimy.
     
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    Guess its more than 8 times to qualify for einstein's definition.
     
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    If this in anyway conflicts with Madison's Republican idea of a tiny tiny federal govt with only a few enumerated powers I will pay the liberal $10,000. Bet??
     
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    100% wrong of course. Constitution provides for national defense so we all won't be killed. In fact, we must obviously spend more on defense to protect ourselves from Iranian and North Korean missiles.
     
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    but they did of course believe in defense and in fighting wars in other countries rather than fight them in our country where far more of our people will be killed. Make sense now?
     
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    if they are conservative why did our liberals spy for Hitler and Stalin, both open socialists which Sanders calls himself?
     
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    Thomas Jefferson was forced to engage in foreign wars against the Barbary pirates. Isolationism is nice in theory, but it doesn't work in the real world (just like libertarianism and communism).
     
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    In 1801 Pasha Yussif Karamanli (a regional governor) declared war on the USA. This is why Jefferson took action. Thus, it was not a foreign war.
     
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    Don't quite know what you are referring to. But you may look at my earlier links to Professor Sutton's books which show that both came into power with Republican money. Sutton was a conservative.
     
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    Iran is no "threat".

    North Korea would not have nuclear tech of it had not been for traitor Bush giving such tech to Dr AO Khan.
     

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