Jesus was the first Republican:

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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    In terms of murdering masses of people, no. But in terms of causing havoc and misery for millions of people for years, yes. It was unregulated big business in the stock market that caused the Great Depression of 1929. More recently, it was deregulated big banking institutions who caused the Great Recession of 2008, causing several million Americans to lose their homes. I don't disagree that many governments have historically been nasty and destructive. But both governments and businesses ultimately reflect the personal values of those who run them. Both can be magnificent and beneficial to society and those who comprise it, or selfish & destructive to the same. Neither are inherently evil, but both have the potential to become evil.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Capitalism guarantees few winners and many losers. Societies need many winners. Capitalism fails there. Do you understand?
     
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    under libsocialism 60 million losers starved to death in China; the instant they switched to Republican capitalism 1.4 billion winners starting getting rich. Do you understand why we say liberalism is based in ignorance?
     
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    so why did you say corporations were as bad as govts when govts have killed billions throughout human history while capitalist corporations got us from stone age to here while making possible and sustain 90% of the human life on this planet!
     
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    how can giving people the very best jobs and products possible thus making possible and sustainiing 90% of the lives on this planet be causing havoc and misery?? See why we say liberalism is pure ignorance? What other conclusion is possible?
     
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    total goof; if you have evidence that is true I will pay you $10,000. Bet? In fact Depression was caused when federal Reserve let money supply shrink by 34%. Bernanke agrees and he used that wisdom to prevent Great Recession from becoming a depression.
     
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    Wrong of course. stupid people elected and supported FDR HItler and 1000's of others. They have always supported the evil govts throughout human history whereas capitalists corporations by their very nature our saintly slaves and servants. If they don't please us and raise our standard of living better than any other corporation on earth they go bankrupt. Corporations are like medicine while govt is like the devil. This is why our genius founders tried to limit liberal govt!!. Do you understand?
     
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    There is nothing bad about it. Walmart and Amazon are locked in a deadly contest to get us the lowest possible prices and raise our standard of living at the fastest possible rate. Since workers are consumers too your comments make no sense!! Do you understand?
     
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    totally absurd and mistaken!! Free workers would not work for Walmart and Amazon unless they too we getting wealthier by doing so. Do you understand? If you open a business people only work for you if you make them better off, not worse off. 1+1=2
     
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    how is that possible? If they seek too much wealth for themselves a competitor can under cut them and drive them bankrupt. Capitalism forces one to be honest while socialism the opposite . Do you understand?
     
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    if you have evidence I'll pay you $10,000. Bet??
     
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    look at history. govt is inherently evil and monopolistic and killed billions!!which is why our genius founders tried to limit it as much as possible while capitalist corporations are inherently saintly as a matter of survival. Do you understand?
     
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    I disagree with your prejudice.
     
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    can the liberal say why he disagrees? Does the liberal know a reason is necessary?
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seriously? You think Jesus would put politics ahead of faith in God? Why do you think he had such a problem with the Pharisees and the moneychangers? Only because they were Jewish....like Jesus?
     
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    I didn't say he put politics ahead of faith in God?Just that by establishing the dignity and liberty of each individual he opened the door to Jefferson and democracy! Now do you understand?
     
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    why not tell us, and then tell us why that was a more significant aspect of his life than his support for individual liberty and democracy?
     
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    Dude, you can either be a Christian or not.

    Do you think a Christian will put secular matters first such as political parties or nationalities? Or do you think those come secondary and are pushed aside when they conflict with Christian values?
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Us? LOL. Who is "us", James? Lip-service Christians? Republicans claiming to be Christians? Westboro Baptists? Who, James? I'm curious who is "us".

    BTW, if you want those answers, try reading the Bible and stop using it as a soapbox.
     
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    and?? what is your point???
     
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    general no but so what?? Do you know what your point is?
     
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    the dignity of the individual would never conflict with Christian values. Do you understand?
     
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    and would I find it is not about individual dignity and that Jesus was not the first Republican??
     
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    That you can either be Christian first or a political proponent. The OP defines who you are:
    You are obviously reading politics into Christ's message, not Christ's message. Sad.
     
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    Disagreed. Everything that says "us" or "me" conflicts with Christ's values. As for your religion, I have no idea. Westboro Baptists claim to be Christian. Do you believe they are?
     

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