Jewish groups' reckless accusations of 'anti-Semitism' sets us down a dangerous path

according to Sam's logic, Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar spoke for all Muslims.

 

HATRED is learned, Sam. You are not born hating people. Who taught you? And why would you listen to such nonsense?

 

You sound so definitive, is this your own story?

Anyways, let's get back to the point. Isn't it more reasonable to develop hatred against people who believe this kind of disgusting and racist thought from the talmud which they literally consider Jewish law?



How can Jewish law say it's OK to steel from non-Jews? Why are laws of murder different when a Jew kills a non-Jew? Why can Jews rob non-Jews? And how can this do anything BUT bring hatred to our people?

'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed30 or [seized] a beautiful woman,31 or [committed] similar offences,32 if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean33 against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'?
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'For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty'
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withholding of a labourer's wage.44 One Cuthean from another, or a Cuthean from an Israelite is forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted.
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Footnotes: Cuthean' (Samaritan) was here substituted by the censor for the original goy (heathen).
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This only borders on a robbery, for actual robbery means depriving a person of what he already possesses
I.e., non-actionable.

--Sanhedrin 57a
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html

Furthermore, lying to a gentile is totally acceptable (which explains a lot, really).

'Where a suit arises between an Israelite and a heathen, if you can justify the former according to the laws of Israel, justify him and say: 'This is our law'; so also if you can justify him by the laws of the heathens justify him and say [to the other party:] 'This is your law'; but if this can not be done, we use subterfuges to circumvent him.

--Baba Kamma 113a
http://www.come-and-hear.com/babakamma/babakamma_113.html

Just maybe this could bring hatred to our people? I mean you proclaim to hate racists, right?

 

Jewish law doesn't state any of this.

Jewish law doesn't make it legal for Jews to kill Gentiles, or steal from Gentiles.

I wish you would stop attacking MY people with these dishonest and false claims

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more nonsense, the Talmud doesn't say this

 

I just posted the Jewish law directly from the talmud. IT'S THE BOLD PART THAT YOU DIDN'T QUOTE LOL.

And wouldn't you think that referring to non-Jewish children as bastards and animals would have something to do with anti-Semitism?

Raba stated: With reference to the Rabbinical statement that [legally] an Egyptian has no father,2 it must not be imagined that this is due to [the Egyptians'] excessive indulgence in carnal gratification, owing to which it is not known [who the father was], but that if this were known3 it is to be taken into consideration;4 but [the fact is] that even if this is known it is not taken into consideration. For, surely, in respect of twin brothers, who originated in one drop that divided itself into two, it was nevertheless stated in the final clause,5 that they 'neither participate in halizah nor perform levirate marriage'.6 Thus it may be inferred that the All Merciful declared their children to be legally fatherless,7 for [so indeed it is also] written, Whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.8

--Yebamoth 98a
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_98.html

 

You are right about that, but they are cowards because they feel safe saying these things as long as they can hide behind their computers. Imagine them saying these things face-to-face...

 

Let's really have a discussion about the Koran and the hatred it spews. That's why the terrorists are Muslims.

 

You have to be careful when you go back to pre-WW I times. There was no racial justice in America then, either. Using arguments from that far back as ammo for political fights of today is pretty much pathetic.

And, suggesting that France had evil intent toward Jews when they had been defeated and signed the armistice is even more pathetic.

France has had problems with various ethnic groups over its history - as has the USA.

 

he's not fooling anyone.

the jig is up.

 

To paraphrase "Anyways back to your jew hate obsession" which is your ENTIRE point. It is a shame that your hatred masks your ability recognize just exactly how lame and childishly transparent both the intent and substance of your posts are.

 

Please start that thread. Seriously. I would love to see what you got. I have read that as well and I think you would end up shocked to find out that it doesn't say what you think it does.

You don't even realize how you guys are absolutely backing up the article in the OP.

Let's continue as you still seem to miss the point.

R. Nahman b. Isaac said: [The Schools of Hillel and Shammai] decreed that their daughters should be considered as in the state of niddah2 from their cradle...

The Court of the Hasmoneans decreed that an Israelite who had intercourse with a heathen woman is liable on four counts, viz., she is regarded as niddah, a slave, a non-Jewess, and a married woman; and when Rabin came [from Palestine] he declared: On the following four counts, viz., she is regarded as niddah, a slave, a non-Jewess, and a harlot!

--Abodah Zarah 36b
http://www.come-and-hear.com/zarah/zarah_36.html

Calling them filthy slaves from birth can't help our cause, right?

 

"our cause"??????????

LOL!!!!!!

funny.

 

Driven out of virtually everywhere they have ever been. 109 nations and counting.

Why?

 

most of the Earth's population used to believe the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around us.

they believed the world was 6,000 years old, Noah survived the flood, and women were made from one of man's rib.

they believed that there is a "god" that speaks to human beings, and punishes us with tornadoes and earthquakes.

why did they believe such stupid things? ignorance.

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and btw, its 100% FALSE that the Jews have been exiled from 109 nations during our history.

 

You tell me. You seem to know.

 

Overall, the article is trash.

The anti-Semitism, far from being ubiquitous, is specific to the Christian and Muslim countries. There never was any form of anti-Semitism in India, China, Japan. Only those two virulently missionary religions felt threatened by the refusal of Jews to convert and resorted to persecutions, libel, massacres, and other such methods to keep Judaism from spreading.

Your question is unanswerable, because it contains a hidden false premise. By putting humanity on one side opposite to Jews, you suggest Jews are not humans. Was that your intention, or is it just a Freudian slip?

Shas voters are voting for Shas not because they agree with their religious stance, but mainly because Shas always ask for more funds for certain sectors of the population. Over 8% of Israeli Arabs voted for Shas in 2013.

Did Ovadia Yosef speak for more than 10.000 Arabs?

In order to understand to Talmud, you must study first - and understand - the Torah. Any attempt to interpret text in the Talmud any other way except based on the Torah is in fact taking things out of context.

Should I also mention the historical circumstances and other such complex real life issues during the time the Talmud was written? Takes more than a basic knowledge of the alphabet to understand the Talmud, both from a religious and a secular perspective.

I already told you that de'oraita trumps derabanan (this is the case with Ovadia Yosef's - and any other rabbi - words as well). The former is the law, the later is debatable.

The quotes you brought are derabanan, that's why I won't spend time and precious bandwidth arguing about them.

You didn't post any Jewish law. The quotes are from the Gemara. Derabanan.

 

Nice spin, but the Gemara is where the rabbis explain Jewish law to the masses.

For example:

A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.

--Sanhedrin 55b
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_55.html

While you might try to spin this away, you must admit that that is effed up and certainly doesn't help our cause, no?

 

No. The Gemara is where different rabbis are quoted, Those rabbis did not write the Gemara, or the rest of the Talmud. Their views are not laws, just opinions, and are often opposed to each other. The quote in your post is such an opinion, and its meaning is very, very far from what you imagine, but as I said, you don't have the basics to understand the Talmud.

 

Then you might direct me to any competing opinions lol. But more importantly, you could explain why the hell it is even there!

Here it is again:

A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.

--Sanhedrin 55b
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_55.html

 

Does this give them the right to drive Palestinians out of their homes and steal their property?

Now Israel has turned about to carry out ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

That seems especially hard to justify from a people so dedicated to the proposition that their own treatment has been a humanitarian crime.

 

I couldnt care less about the Palestinians. They are not innocent people. You are misinformed.

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I just find it interesting is all. Do you not find it interesting?

Nothing to see there? Okay..

 

That's not just obvious nonsense. It's also a critical blunder in our approach to reducing terrorism.

The IRA didn't come about because of Islam.

Mandela wasn't a Muslim.

ETA isn't Muslim.

Etc.

It's a huge mistake to associate terrorism with Islam in the way you propose. By being mistaken about the sources and reasons for terrorism we will be far worse at reducing terrorism. For example, targeting Islam is just plain profoundly stupid - the only people that can end the terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc., are the people who live there and hold office there. And, THEY are Islamic.

The sources of terrorism are found in disenfranchisement, extreme poverty, humanitarian crime, hopelessness, etc. We will need to take direct action against terrorists, but we will NOT be successful without targeting the underlying sources. And, when the region is predominately Christian (such as in Ireland) or Muslim (such as in Iraq/Syria), or whatever was most common among the majority in South Africa, targeting that religion is a well charter path to FAILURE.

 

I'm not sure if it's that many places, but because of irrational Jew hatred?

 

Its not accurate to say 109 countries. They have been driven out if 109 LOCATIONS throughout history.

I just think if any other people get driven out of 3-4 places let alone 109 they might start to do some soul searching.

In this case everyone else are just naziwwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

 

The issue isn't really about whether you care about Palestinians.

The issue is whether you care about peace.

Without justice, there is no peace.

Beyond that, whether you like Palestinians or not, there is the issue of whether you have normal human values and whether you care enough about them to use them in forming opinions and actions.