Jewish leader’s son is a ‘deadbeat dad’ who refuses to pay child support

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    In the following article from The New York Post we learn that Velvel Butman, who is the son of an influential jewish leader, refuses to pay child support for his eight(!) children, and thinks that it's below his dignity to work, given his father's status:
    http://nypost.com/2017/04/02/jewish-leaders-son-is-a-deadbeat-dad-who-refuses-to-pay-child-support/

    What are your thoughts on this matter? Is it right of Velvel Butman to refuse to get a job and pay child support? And how does this reflect on his father who is apparently an important leader in the jewish community?

    As always, all opinions are welcome.
     
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    In one county I worked in, men like that were incarcerated and sent out on work release until their domestic relations court-ordered child support payment arrears were paid up.
     
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    They're Chabadniks or Chabadim

    Work. Bills. Material concerns interfere with thinking, pondering, more spiritual pursuits. :woot:
    Understand his side.

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    Then don't take on material concerns like eight kids, not to mention a wife.
     
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    He didn't.

    She did.

    They're Chabad.
     
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    I like the Jewish word for divorce
    like get lost, get stuffed, get out :lol:
     
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    My thoughts are:

    the father is a rabbi of great faith and influence that loved/spoiled his son too much

    the son is a middle aged self entitled doosh bag that is a discredit to not just orthodox Judaism but fathers everywhere

    So. But by the ah.. true faith? It's the father's responsibility even at this guys age of 47. To outsiders. Patriarchal society. That's just how it works.

    And its worked for millenia, a few bad apples can not spoil that cider. The recipe is too good

    Must feel bad for the revered rabbi Geez. To be burdened with such a son? It's his trial.
     
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    Look, if his father is well off enough to support him then he should. We have to learn not to judge others by our own standards. There was a time when it was below a nobleman's dignity to be in business, this is why the second and third sons joined the army and married rich. It's also why being a land owner carried so much prestige in the West.

    This is also probably why the Muslims in the Arab world have no business acumen, since as the conquerors it would have been below them. Trade has always been conducted by Christians and Jews. It also accounts as to why the Muslims in the non oil nations were always poor, while Christians and Jews were well off...or at least until they decided to do something about it and confiscated their good by kicking them out.

    It sufficed for a while until poverty took them over again.
     
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    And what is a grandfather going to do with his money other than give it to his grandchildren anyway?
     
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    I'm not sure about the intelligence of a woman who would sleep with a guy, who doesn't have a job.
     
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    I appreciate that you posted in my thread, but no, I don't understand. Why does one have to exclude the other? Can't a man pursue spiritual matters and take care of his children (or at least pay child support)?

    Butman's behavior is disgraceful, plain and simple.
     
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    It is sort of like my private life.
    And I am not religious.
    I do however subscribe to "Work Interferes With My Thinking Time".
    It is good to be retired.

    Material concerns interfere with his higher spiritual time, y'see? Simple enough for me.


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    He's a good for nothing. Throw him in jail for non support and forget about it.
     
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    Well, if these ultra-orthodox jews don't want distractions from their "spiritual" pursuits, then they shouldn't get married and have eight(!) kids.
     
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    That is your perspective.
    He has his.
     
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    Interestingly, I've seen secular/atheist jews attack these ultra-orthodox jews by saying that they're worthless parasites who don't contribute anything to society. What do you think, folks?
     
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    I think it's noteworthy that Shmuel Butman, who is an influential jewish leader, keeps defending his worthless son by saying that he hasn't done anything wrong. Is that really how leaders in the jewish community should behave?
     
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    You're really reaching now!
     
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    What do you mean? Explain.
     
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    Is that really necessary? What does an irresponsible man not supporting his children have to do with his father or being Jewish? Have you never heard of Christians doing the same thing? Or atheists?

    Get some counselling.
     
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    Are you joking? The whole news story centers around Velvel Butman's jewishness. The problem here is that the son of an influential jewish leader refuses to pay child support for his many children, and his excuse is that it's below his dignity to work because his father is a well-known and respected rabbi. I explained this in my OP.

    I also think that it's wrong of Shmuel Butman to keep defending his worthless son by saying that he hasn't done anything wrong. It's my opinion that a responsible leader shouldn't behave like that. Am I an "antisemite" for feeling this way?
    More insults/personal attacks from my opponents. What a surprise…
     
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    Sounds like your typical spoiled rich kid with an enabling parent. The country is infested with them.
     
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    Nazis, racists, fascists etc. should get accustomed to them.
     
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    Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/outrage-after-politician-calls-ultra-orthodox-parasites/
    I think that intelligent people should be able to debate without resorting to insults and personal attacks. But hey, that's just my opinion.
     
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    I'd say intra-faith criticism of religious ultra-orthodoxy is not limited to the jews.
     
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