There is a sad lie that has been going around for decades, about the Jews in Muslim lands. This lie, is that before Zionism Jews in in Muslim lands were treated well, equally, and fairly. This couldn't be further from the the truth. During the more than 1,000 years of Muslim rule in North Africa and the Middle East, Jews frequently suffered extreme discrimination, expulsions, massacres, and pogroms, at the hands of the ruling Muslims. This was all centuries before Zionism was a mere concept. The Jews of Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, all suffered under these conditions. They all suffered from persecution and pogroms. Doubt this? Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._of_Israel#Middle_Ages_.28636.E2.80.931517.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_algeria#Muslim_dominance_era http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_egypt#Arab_rule_.28641_to_1250.29
I do think that Ronstar (this time) is just proving the degradatiom and the decimation of the Jews of the Arab World by Arabs, long, long before the arrival of the Zionist movement.
They sure had a lot of factories and import export businesses in the Arab world and they lived well. In Bahrain the Jews are still successful merchants.
What the Arab achieved is a temporary elation before decadence, the Jews left and the Arabs retrograded to the Seventh Century, zealotry, racism and degradation.
They were still in Libya in 1969- early 1973. Muslim, Christian and Jewish women socialized over tea and spa days... They were all very involved in developing the arts in Tripoli.
I have friends among Egyptian Jews who owned glass factories for many generations.. One of my dearest friends is a Moroccan Jew who's family was very big in the import-export business.. She grew up in Morocco. They said living in Morocco was wonderful.
THEE HUNDRED THOUSAND MOROCCANS ARE IN ISRAEL enjoying a better life. I do not deny you had Jewish friends that you would keep away from your family... Senseless, you still enjoy name dropping. I also had a grandma... she had wheels on her shoes and turned out to be an <Alpha Romeo and some time an Isota Franchini>. We can all have that belly laugh from to time to time.
Keep away from my family? Some of them are my family.. Arab Jews who left between 1948 and 1973 often went to Europe and/or eventually to the US..
we should also be aware that there was an Arab SS Unit during WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion Free Arabian Legion (جيش بلاد العرب الحرة was a Nazi German military unit formed from Arab volunteers from the Middle East and North Africa during World War II.
Simply not true especially when you compare to modern day. To be fair Jews in Islamic lands during middle ages( and general always treated better than Jews in Russia until after death of Stalin) generally were treated much better than in Christian Europe with Jews during Spanish inquisition fleeing to Ottoman empire and Golden age of Judaism was under Muslim rule in Spain from 700s to late 1000s. As mentioned before, Jews along with Christians were dhimmi which meant protected people of the book(with Muslims regarding bible as earlier revelations of God's word). While protected from violence(although not always with Jews and Christians less protected from violence as these Islamic empires and caliphs went on culminating with Armenian genocide), dhimmi did not mean equal citizens. People under dhimmi were subject to many restrictions that varied among Islamic empires. These restrictions included for those under Dhimmi were banned from carrying weapons, their churches and synagogues banned from being higher than mosques, forced to pay jizya tax, those under dhimmi they couldn't testify against Muslims(on this restriction alone you can't say Jews were equal in the Islamic empires and caliphs), forced to wear distinctive clothing, and except for Hanafi Islamic school of law no Muslim could be killed for killing a dhimmi. https://books.google.com/books?id=V...v=onepage&q=dhimmi islamic testifying&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Y...v=onepage&q=dhimmi islamic testifying&f=false While it's true that Jews were treated to less violence than those living in Christian European countries, there still was many acts of violence. For example, the golden age of Judaism was ended by massacre of 6,000 Jews in Fez in 1033, and 1066 Granda massacre where 4,000 Jews from 1,500 families killed with Almohad and Almoravid caliphs. Further massacres in Fez occurred in 1276 and 1465. Whole communities were wiped out in Libya during 8th century by caliphate Idris 1. Mad caliph Hakim(who became caliph in 1009, to be fair rest of fatimid caliphs was known for being tolerant with successor restoring church of holy sepulchre) was known for persecuting Jews and Christians destroying the church of the holy sepulchre. Libya in 1875 where Ali Burzi Pasha killed hundreds of Jews. In Algiers Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815, and 1830. in Marraskesh, Morocco more than 300 Jews were killed between 1864 and 1880. As the Ottoman empire started dying more there were incidents like 1840 Damascus affair where Christian communities living in Ottoman empire would accuse Jews of blood libels which Ottoman authorities would arrest large number of Jews and torture them. The status of dhimmi in the dynasty before Pahlavi were very intolerant with Shah Abbas I in 1656 expelled Jews from Isfahan and ordered to adopt Islam, although order was subsequently withdrawn, in 1830 all 2,500 Jews of Shiraz were forced to convert to Islam, in 1839 Jews were massacred in Mashhad and survivors were forcibly converted with the same fate awaiting Jews of Barforoush in 1866(with allowed to revert back to Judaism after intervention from British and French ambassadors. All these incidents of violence occurred decades to hundreds of years before Zionism was formed. https://books.google.com/books?id=m...=onepage&q=mad caliph hakim persecute&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Y...v=onepage&q=dhimmi islamic testifying&f=false So again while Muslims historically treated Jews better than Christians which isn't that hard to do considering biggest pogrom the holocaust was done by a Christian country Germany and before that Russia known most for persecuting Jews, Jews weren't treated as equal citizens due to dhimmi restrictions and there were still several periods of violence against Jews. It's important to note while obviously Arabs didn't commit holocaust Arab nationalists during WW2 including Haj Amin Al Hussein leader of the Palestinians at the time, with Arab nationalists attempting a pro Nazi coup in 1941 during World War 2 in Iraq. It's also important to note that Hitler was partially inspired by the Armenian genocide for the holocaust noting in Mein Kaf that no one remembers the Armenians.
that's like saying since the Warsaw Ghetto wasn't as bad as Auschwitz, the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto should have been greatful to the Nazis.
Persecution is a terrifying thing. I don't like Ashkenazi but I still understand that persecution is terrifying. They needed to be put in their own country but they went to an inhabited, yet nondescript place in the ME. I don't mind if they go there but why turf people out of their houses?
Misread your post. I thought you said before Zionism Jews were treated equal and didn't experience wave of violence, when you were saying the opposite, needless to say we agree that Jews were discriminated against and often experienced waves of violence. Sorry about misreading your post.
Husseini reports that Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler … told him in summer 1943 that the Germans had ‘already exterminated more than three million’ Jews: “I was astonished by this figure, as I had known nothing about the matter until then.” …. Thus. in 1943, Husseini knew about the genocide….
This declaration will clarify a lot Israel totally rejects UNESCO's Executive board decision on 'Occupied Palestine' (Communicated by the MFA Spokesperson) 21 Oct 2015 http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/201...on-on-Occupied-Palestine-21-October-2015.aspx Israel totally rejects the shameful resolution on 'Occupied Palestine' adopted today at the plenary of the 197th Session of UNESCO's Executive Board. The resolution aims to transform the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into a religious confrontation and its adoption is a disgrace for UNESCO's Executive Board. The Executive Board has joined the pyromaniacs seeking to set fire to the most sensitive sites to humankind. The decision is an abuse of UNESCO's mandate. UNESCO's Director-General Mrs. Irina Bokova yesterday expressed her strong opposition to the resolution, which constitutes "taking the protection of cultural heritage hostage" and "undermining UNESCO's mandate and efforts". The DG: "deplores the proposals…appeals to the UNESCO Executive Board to take decisions that do not further inflame tensions on the ground and that encourage respect for the sanctity of the Holy Sites". Instead of striving to reduce tensions, the authors of the resolution are working to fuel the flames in the region, using irresponsible religious rhetoric and distorting history. This decision is yet another step in the continuous Palestinian endeavor to rewrite history and distort the sources of World Heritage in this part of the World. The Palestinian leadership's attempt to claim for themselves Jewish and Christian holy sites doesn't bode well; suffice to look at the torching of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians just a few days ago. The deep Jewish ties to the holy sites in Jerusalem and its surroundings are undeniable and no decision of UNESCO can alter that. ________________________________________ IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
really shameful how the Muslims used to persecute their Jewish neighbors. long before Zionism was a mere idea
