Jews And Feminists

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  1. ibshambat

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    For a long time, the liberal types supported the Jews because of their history of persecution. Now many of these same people hate the Jews because of the behavior of the Israelis. The oppressed became oppressors themselves, and they lost the sympathy of the people who are against oppression.



    We are seeing similar things with the feminist movement. For a long time the liberal types supported the women's cause because here was a group that behaved well, being oppressed by a group that behaved badly. But when women themselves behave in hideous ways, that loses their support. So now there is a strong movement against feminism and in some cases against women as such. And the feminists, having through their vicious behavior alienated the very kind of people who were most likely to support them, are faced with a very strong backlash that they may or may not be able to withstand.



    If women choose to be harpies, then people who want the world to be a better place will not support them. A person driven by fairness or kindness or wanting the world to be a better place will be most likely to see them the same way in which many liberals see the Israelis. They are a formerly oppressed population that has in many cases met and exceeded the patriarchy in viciousness; and there is no reason at all to fight alongside them. When Stalin is fighting Hitler, the solution is not to side with either one.



    So we have feminists claiming that not liking a woman – any woman – means being misogynistic. Meanwhile they are themselves hateful to many men and many women. And we have women claiming that men are “*******s who deserve to die” when they like them better thin than fat, even as they attack men who are in a bad mental shape and crack on to men in good one. We have people claiming physical beauty to be incompatible with strength or intelligence or spirituality and other good traits, and claiming their nastiness and their hatefulness to be strength, intelligence and spirituality. And we have women in female-run organizations attacking in their employees beauty, intelligence and willingness to work hard, then complaining about the glass ceiling. Sorry. If you are attacking winning qualities in your people, you will only lose.



    This having been stated, as much as possible should be done to fight domestic violence. This is not something that only affects the guilty; it also is a hideous problem for many people who are innocent. Most women living in such situations are not harpies. Many of them are good enough human beings. And it is rightful that they get all the support that they can get.



    So what is the rightful solution to all this? It is the rational solution. It is to see everything capable of choice as being capable of both good choice and bad choice. Pursuant that consideration, it is to support and reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. This is the case both with women and with men.



    Right now we see the opposite happening. On one side of town, violent and truly misogynistic men brutally abuse women who for the most part are better people than they are. On the other side of town, hideous harpies viciously attack the men who are the least likely to be misogynistic – men near liberal centers of culture and education. In both cases the bad guys win and the good guys lose. And this teaches everyone that it pays to be a jerk and that being good will get you mistreated. At the societal level, it creates an incentive toward wrongful conduct, resulting in there being more of it.



    Coming from that, I advocate what I call the economic solution. Support a large cross-cultural flux for intermarriage. Let women from first side of town get together with men from second side of town. Let women who are willing to be good to men and men who are willing to be good to women get with one another and form good relationships. And exercise an incentive upon the offending gender in each situation to improve their treatment of the other gender – or else see the other gender leave in large numbers to be with people who are willing to be good to them.



    I was in support of women's rights ever since I was three. But I have been slandered as a misogynist or worse. To these people: I refuse to be your punching bag. You want to fight misogynists, fight real ones. And believe me there are plenty of them, and they do not like me one bit.



    So if the feminists choose to be vicious, they will lose the support of people coming from the consideration of fairness or kindness or what makes the world a better place. And then they will have to fight real misogyny by themselves, without many others supporting them. Let them fight their own battles if they think that they are strong, smart and independent and that nobody else is. They don't need some supposed misogynist supporting them if that is their attitude.



    Right now there are many women who are choosing social conservatism willingly, and the people who claim unelected leadership over women are losing influence. This will continue to happen until they start thinking straight and realize what it requires for them to get the support that they need. I do not deserve as a man to be treated as if I was Ted Bundy. And my former wife did not deserve the abuse that she got while working for a woman-run organization.



    For feminism to regain the support that it needs, it will have to change its character. It will have to move away from viciousness and misandry and become a movement that seeks women's betterment without seeking men's ill. It will have to stop abusing compassion and goodwill to force an equivalent of totalitarianism. And it will have to behave rightfully both toward women and toward men while supporting rightful behavior on the part of both.
     
  2. IggySoda

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    Incel?
     
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    Interesting post, but...why do you think feminism need support in the first place?

    What's its reason for existing anymore?

    Why not just let it die out?
     
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    All liberals do not hate Isreal, just like all conservatives do not like Isreal..

    Your opening statement is largely fallacious, logic was scared away.
     
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    As far as feminist they took it to extremes..
     
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    Yeah, let feminism die out so we can go back to patriarchy
     
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    Oh yes, I heard that in the seventies.....exact rhetoric and look at the progress....those are extremes to you , like women going to Harvard, sitting on the Supreme Court, like able to get their own credit if married, like getting equal pay. ...yep. Those extremes
     
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    Reading this makes me so aware why we still need the movement ..the last paragraph actually made me laugh...you sound a little insecure and quite emotional
     
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    Not those lofty goals of my Ma, the ones where they become militant and too sensitive.
     
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    Lol..we were always “too militant” and “too sensitive”..but we ignored that and look at the changes. Well behaved women don’t make history
     
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    Be my guest to fly off the handle...
     
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    Renee, I thought that we have come to a mutual understanding. I do frequently get accused of being too emotional, but I do good things with my emotions and turn them into poetry. As for insecurity, I think that happens to the best of us. Per example I am a little guy, but I am big in three places that count, and I will leave it up to you to figure out what those three places are.
     
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    It is interesting how some women do what you did and others work through their sons.
     

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