Jews And Feminists

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  1. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    I apologize...you are not a misogynist but I do think you are sexist.
    If a man rapes a woman because she is in his hotel room...IT IS RAPE! Remember mike Tyson? No man has a right to rape a woman...period! Stop justifying it
     
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    ibshambat Well-Known Member

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    All right. Once again, I want it to be defined strictly and definition kept to, so that there can be no confusion on the subject.

    Regarding being sexist, I think that there are some differences between men and women that are natural and others that are socially transmitted. A man cannot bear children. A woman finds it harder to have upper-body strength than does man. When I was a kid I hated taking baths and did not care what I looked like; my daughter loves taking baths and was a fashion princess since she was 3. I know I made no demands of her in that direction.

    It may be undesirable to socialize all boys the same way and all girls the same way. There will always be tomboyish females and effeminate males, and there will always be women who want a more dominating or at least equal position. I think that they should have the right to that; but so should the people who want a traditional role. Some women I know hated female socialization, others were comfortable with it. I say that both should have a right to their choice.
     
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    Of course men and women are different. But the word equal does not mean same.....2 nickels are different from one dime, but they both equal ten cents.
    Most kids don’t like baths....nothing to do with gender. As they get older, they become socialized and we discourage a boy who wants to do what girls do. A boy might like to take a bubble bath with pretty smelling salts but he can’t because of socialization. Boys might like to color their nails bright colors...but they can’t. I think today girls have it better. They can do what boys do and they can do what girls do traditionally.
    Why do the women you know hate female socialization? They obviously have low self esteem
     
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    Some hate female socialization, others do not. I was once with a woman who had been a tomboy as a child and was unattractive as a teenager; then she became very womanly. She continued to hate the coercion toward an ideal that she wanted nothing to do with and of course she disliked the culture that saw her in a low light. She was a brilliant woman, and she taught me a lot.
    There were other women with whom I have been who were classically beautiful. They did not take objection to female socialization, where they parted ways with the crowd was when the crowd had no value for their art.
     
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    Hardly a post goes by when you don’t focus on how pretty a woman is....that’s sexist and you don’t even realize it.
    Please tell me what female socialization is that women you know don’t like? What is male socialization? Do all men like it
     
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    The woman in question disliked the way in which women were being raised. She particularly disliked the social fronts that people were wearing.
    Male socialization is hateful to many men as well. I did not like it when I was growing up either. I am not the football type, and many people thought that I was a sissie. However at this age I am in better shape than most men my age, including ones who had been jocks.
     
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    No, I don't realize it. Would you be sexist if you found Johnny Depp to be handsome?
    I enjoy it when people think that I am physically attractive. I do not feel "objectified" by it. I see no reason why woman, especially a woman who puts lots of effort into looking good, would dislike being appreciated for her appearance.
     
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    Nothing like strawmen and gross generalizations.
     
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    This is exactly what feminism is about...breaking the gender roles. Interesting men were sissies and looked down upon, but Tom boys were cool
     
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    We are t talking about Johnny debb . We are talking about women’s roles in society and you keep mentioning her looks. We don’t do that with men
     
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    Sure, but women do tend to like muscled men more than weak men. And I say this as someone who has been both in good shape and in bad shape, and who was much more appealing to women when I was in good shape than when I was not.
     
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    All right, there is merit to that. However I would like to caution against seeing all differences between men and women as being a result of socialization. There are natural differences between men and women, and in a number of ways they are in women's favor.
     
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    Such as?
     
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    Well, for one thing, you can bear children and we can't.
     
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    And you can pee standing up.
     
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    Most of the socialisation is a result of natural difference too since the socialisation is one with nature; gender roles are thus to be regarded as socio-biological. We have basic needs and all "social constructs" fill the purpose of satisfying these needs in orded to maximise the best potential social outcome. "Motherhood" and "fatherhood" are social constructs, but they are natural too, for example.
     
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    the one thing women envy men for.
     
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    Social constructs are made up. And males are demeaned if they do feminine things.
     
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    What do you mean when you say "made up"? Pulled out of someone's behind? "Made up" as in they have no connection to reality and no function in society whatsoever? "Made up" as in reality being their opposite? If a "made up" exists, it means there is an original somewhere, what is the original?
     
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    Dressing a girl in pink and a boy in blue..made up
    Telling a boy not to cry ...made up
    Giving girls baby dolls and boys trucks..made up
    Assigning roles...made up
    Boys stronger upper body strength....original
    Girls have uteruses..original
    Telling boys not to act like a girl as it’s bad ...made up
    Telling girls tomboys is fine...made up
    Telling boys to hold car doors for girls..made up
    Telling girls to sit and wait to helplessly while a boy opens a car door
    Made up
    Sex for girls...bad
    Sex for boys ...good
     

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