Jews And Feminists

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  1. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    It's about 50/50, most Jews outside of Israel are neoliberals or marxists [basically the same thing] whereas Israeli Jews are ultra nationalistic and rightwing in a sort of Talmudic theocracy.
     
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    Anti semitism is a funny thing given the Jewish religion that wishes to fulfill a prophecy of ruling the world from Jerusalem with the third temple.
     
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    Yeah, it's not like Israel hasn't carried out atrocities in Lebanon or tried very hard appropriating their land and territory. :aww:
     
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    There is such equality everywhere which is why work related deaths consist primarily of men, homelessness consists primarily of men, unemployment consists primarily of men, incarceration consists primarily of men, and highest suicide rates consists primarily of men.

    It is why since the late 1980's more women are graduating from college than men where more and more younger men are being left behind in education.

    Yes, we've officially entered a gender utopia. :crazy:
     
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    Sociological constructs are merely manifestations of social biological evolution.

    This whole argument because something is a construct it must be thrown away is a bit silly considering there are a lot of important vital social constructs that makes human society what it is and where without them would be very devastating.
     
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    Yes times are changing, a vast majority of women not having children or getting married is cultural suicide destroying the very foundations of cultures and nations alike not to mention demographically speaking is disruptive as a whole to the future prosperity of societies when there is more elderly dying than children being born. [That's what we call a demographic population crisis.]

    With a vast majority of men not having access to higher education [thanks in part to feminism] forced into lower paying jobs competing against foreign immigration or automation you're dealing with millions of sour vehemently angry hordes of millions of men. Do you know what comes next with millions of struggling or unemployed angry men? Revolution.

    Also know this, when that comes to fruition it will be a horrible future to be a feminist of any kind.

    The times are most certainly changing but not the way you're thinking they are.....
     
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    Oh yes, poor oppressed men. You just look at the power structure and allyou see are women from the president down. Tell us the I equalities you endure. I know you get paid much less than women, I know your reproductive freedom is denied with forced vasectomies, and i know how women sexually assault you poor men
    If you think you’re oppressed don’t ask us to fight your battle
     
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    Orthodox Jews are like any other extreme religious groups. That’s why Judaism is divided into three groups . Orthodox Jews in European western nations are the same here
     
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    I would think you’re joking but you’re not.. why is not having children cultural suicide? Do we have a population shortage?
    Why don’t men have access to higher education? Oh you mean white male affirmative action isn’t in place anymore and smarter women are taking their seats? Are you saying that women are taking the high paying jobs? Times are indeed changing...and it’s scaring you to death! You have to share the pie with more than half the population.
    Who are angry men going to revolt against ? Nurses? Kindergarten teachers? Maids? I know how badly they want those jobs lol
     
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    That’s my point.....men can be nurturing...
    By the way the attitude toward women and sexism is obviously over your head ...kids gave you the worst insult....being like a girl. ...that’s called misogyny!
     
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    A dr is the epitome of the nurturer and logic would say it should be a woman’s profession....but it paid too well so women were mostly excluded . Then came the women’s movement and the ban on discrimination and lo and behold more women are entering med schools. Than males My granddaughter wants to be a nurse practitioner and the salary is over $100,000.times are changing
    Do you think it is a coincidence that men’s jobs pay more than women’s? Do you not understand women were socialized into limited fields? Top Universities like Harvard and Yale denied women access ? EMS is not an ambulance driver ..EMS is the acronym for Emergency Medical Services. This term refers to the treatment and transport of people in crisis health situations that may be life threatening. Emergency medical support is applied in a wide variety of situations from car accidents to drownings to incidents of heart attack. Women are now doing that as well
     
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    Wrong. A given profession's salary has zero to do with its gender ratio.

    It is wonderful, but I thought you were against inequality? I feel you are being inconsistent here.

    As I said, girls still seek themselves careers in gendered professions even when they have the chance to choose STEM or IT. Thanks for proving my point and big congrats to her.

    It is not a coincidence. It is the result of economic law. This has already been debunked too many times for me to even care explaining the mechanisms behind it. Read a few books on Austrian Economics and you should be fine. :)

    That was a very long time ago.

    And your point is? You just proved once again that women are "people's-people". :D
     
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    1- what a coincidence that women dominated professions have always been paid less.
    2x because there are more women filling med schools, it’s inequality?
    Are men being denied admission? Is there a quota? What the hell are you talking about?
    3-no Harvard and Yale etc were not that long ago in our history, nor was segregation. And why do you suppose that discrimination in education at the schools and segregation or no longer in existence? Certainly not because of people like you but because of people like me who fought against injustice
     
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    Renee, I see any number of women as my equals, in some cases as my superiors.
    The misogyny is not mine; it is that of my former classmates, which is excusable since they were just kids. Any number of them have since then grown into decent men.
    In fact people have told me that I want to be a woman. I do not; but in no way am I hateful to women. I have respect for many women, including my former wife.
     
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    I have no idea what you mean by "coincidence". I believe women choose their careers because they want them and it just happens to be that women prefer professions that are not as well paid as those men pick (generally speaking that is). I think people who are really passionate about their career, are not in it for the money.

    Acvording to a Feminist like yourself, it should be shocking. I, personally, do not care too much at all about people's genders.

    Well, there are quotas, yes. But, that is not the point I was trying to make, not at all. Just ignore it.

    "People like me"? Excuse me, lady! But, I happen to be a minority and thought Feminists were supposed to protect us.

    PS. The draft wasn't that long ago either.
     
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    We’re you flattered or insuited when people tell you you want to be a woman. Wonder why “people” would tell you that. Sounds like you have some issues
     
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    Tell me about the quotas in medical schools.
    For someone who doesn’t care about people’s genders sure talk a lot about them. No the reason women were paid less is because they were able to pay women less. We didn’t have options. Now women are going into,professions once denied them...like stock market, law, accounting etc. They are having a hard time getting teachers
    Why are you a minority? Who said that feminists are supposed to protect men? Feminism is about women’s equality....not about your status. Fight your own battles you’re a big boy
    What does the draft have to do with this?
     
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    It is not just medical schools, but higher education as a whole. Asian Americans with high scores are discriminated in favour of other races.

    I don't, but it is what the topic is about.

    If that was true, employers would do nothing but hiring women as this would save them horseloads of money.

    Entrepreneurs did more for women's rights than the Women's Liberation Movement as inventions like the diswasher, washing machine and electric stoves made it possible for women to invest resources elsewhere. This is an undisputable truth.

    What do you mean why? That is a very insensitive question from someone who claims to hold workshops on racism and whatnot. It is not like I choose to be one. Youmare racist!

    [QUORE]Who said that feminists are supposed to protect men? Feminism is about women’s equality....not about your status.[/QUOTE]
    I don't get it. You're saying Feminists want equality among women only?

    You mentioned male privilege and no one claim the draft was a system of male privilege.
     
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    For more information on demographic reproductive problems regarding death and birth models I present people with this.

    Keywords: Demographic bomb, demographic winter, fertility crisis, and population decline.




     
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    So you admit feminism is all about women only where there is no male equivalent concerning the rights of men. Thank you for your honesty.

    I am glad we can acknowledge that feminism is all about caring for women only where in contrast there is no concern for the well being or rights of men.

    This will help us proceed in our conversation more easier. 8)

    As for the rest of what you said all I heard was, "Women are perfect little angels and innocent in all things incapable of wrong being responsible to no-one where all men are monsters." Wow, powerful stuff.
     
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    I don't get it. You're saying Feminists want equality among women only?


    You mentioned male privilege and no one claim the draft was a system of male privilege.[/QUOTE]

    I just have to laugh that you think because you are a man, you are a minority. You hold all the worlds power you poor oppressed males. Sounds like you have victim envy

    I knew it!’it wasn’t the women’s movement that made the changes it was the dishwasher. Nobody could really say that with a straight face ..by the way washing machines were around a long time ago while women were still denied equality. And And we are so lucky that we don’t have to cook outdoors making fires LOL And you actually say this is an “indisputable truth” do you know how silly you sound. But you make it clear that cooking and cleaning is a woman’s job....now lucky is we can cook and clean and work .lol
    Hey the draft was designed by men..If you think women should be drafted why don’t you do something and fight for it. As a matter of fact women were denied certain positions in the military that afforded all kinds of great benefits. Why would women fight to be Drafted?
    Personally I think there should be a national service for both men and women
    As far as why men didn’t hire only women so they could pay them less was because they didn’t have the education and the skills they need it for the better paying jobs. But all the lower paying jobs like the secretaries and clerks were mostly women.
    I don’t think Asian American should be discriminated against the way they are and they are doing something about it. There is also discrimination against people from certain areas because there are so many qualified like New York City. Don’t you miss the good all days of white male affirmative action?
     
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    I have to laugh that there is no equivalent to feminism concerning the rights of man. Why don’t you think a little? Have you read any history? Who runs the country? Tell me how men are oppressed Your remind me of those whiny white men who are angry because the black movement isn’t about them. If you think there is no equivalent concerning the rights of man then get off your ass and do something instead of just having victim envy. Actually the women’s movement has helped men. Now women are earning big bucks and their males counterparts can stay home and cook and clean. Men are liberated!

    But thank you for letting me know that you are an extremist if you heard me say women are perfect little angels and innocent of all things and in capable and all man are monsters .That’s a man who is just insecure as well as threatened.
     
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    I am the child of two immigrants who lack higher education, I believe that is what you Crenshawists would call "oppression". But, thanks for assumong my identity, very mature and tolerant.

    But, other inventions were not. All the male inventions that wete produced to make it easier and less cspital consuming to clean and maintain the household were produced by men. And it is self-evident that these inventions played a big part in liberating women from the role of homemaker.

    It is only silly to the dars of someone who does not understand how an economy and society works.

    Yep, and there it came -- Males being forced to die in the wars of governments is a sign of male privilege. :laughing: And, no. I will not fight for women's "right to be drafted" since the draft was never a right, it was a compulsion. Furthermore, I heavily oppose the concept of national defense and am also opposed to women being allowed to go to war. However, you should be very fond of the thought of a female dtaft since you want women and men to be equal... Oh, right... I forgot. You only want equality when it comes to flashy jobs and status positions.

    Why? I would never allow the State to force me to die for them. Never!

    Why do you hate poor people? My mother is a secretary, is that bad? Is a woman only worth something if she has a flashy job title? Wow, you are such an extremist! You should stop objectifying women!

    There has never been a "White Man's Affirmative Action", I miss the good old days when universities and employers were free to judge applicants on their merit without having to consider their race or gender.
     
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    ——How does being the child of Immigrants make you an oppressed minority? What does that have to with feminism? Wow you just crave being a victim.
    —- what a shocker washing machines were invented by men! Women weren’t educated, women weren’t exposed to these things. In my day all the shops like electric and woodworking etc were only for boys. Girls took cooking and sewing. And as I pointed out we have had these “women machines“ for generations and it wasn’t until the 70s that things change for women. Nothing to do with dishwashers LOL It had to do with conscious raising.
    —-I love your whine about women and the draft. I don’t think there should be a draft either but I do think there should be national service. I didn’t tell you to fight for women to be drafted, but rather not have men drafted. You also sound very silly when you tell me I should fight for something that I don’t want. Why would I fight for women to die in battle ?
    It’s interesting that you think women should not be allowed in war. You think just like your forefathers, the ones who made those rules.
    ——Stop acting like the extremist you are by accusing me of hating poor people. That is asinine since I am one who fights for them. You gave a good example. Your mother is a secretary, does that mean she’s poor? They now have a job title called administrative assistants and they pay more......studies show they are the same job as a secretary and guess which pays more? Guess which one hires more men? And your silly conclusions, that I think women should be paid more for valuable jobs hardly makes me an extremist. Thinking that women should be paid the same as men for the same or comparable work isn’t extremism. But thanks to men and women who have fought for equality ..that is changing in spite of men with your attitude
    ——There was never a white male affirmative action? Do you know how many women and minorities had to give up their seats to Harvard and Yale and Princeton two less qualified males? In New York City the college is required girls to have higher scores to get in and boys got in with a lower average. Wasn’t that affirmative action? Do you think that because Harvard and Yale and Princeton denied admission to brilliant women and minorities, that the man that went warrant there on merit? What an insult to women and minorities. I’m sure you think Michelle Obama and Barack Obama didn’t deserve their education. There is nothing wrong with diversity. I know you like the good old white boys club but those days are waning
     
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    I was neither flattered nor insulted, I thought it was an unusual thing to say. I suppose I am a short guy and I'm not macho, so some people may think me to be feminine.
    Everyone has some issues.
     

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