Jihadis face execution without trial in Syrian jails as Assad says foreign ISIS members will be hang

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I offered my proof that Saddam was not Reagan's buddy, so show us your proof he and Saddam were pals?
     
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    You shouldn't be author anything on Wikipedia since you missed the Iran-Iraq war and the 20 year Dual Containment policy.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My Strober book is still packed in a box, so shall dig it out over this discussion trying to run down Ronald Reagan.

    Per my data, Reagan wanted to make use of Iraq as our eyes on the Middle east. The many Soviet tanks shows who was the ally of Saddam.

    Though Reagan wanted no part of supporting Iran, he did kick in TOW weapons, a small unit field weapon firing a very small rocket with a warhead designed to punch holes into Tanks, though not a large number of them, to try to neutralize Iraqi armor.

    Also this act called the prevention of Genocide act took place when the Senate and the House were controlled by the Democrats yet they did not lay a bill on the Reagan desk for him to approve.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevention_of_Genocide_Act_of_1988#Support_and_defeat
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I did not miss anything. My thus far contribution to Wikipedia as an Author is over Women's fast pitch soft ball since I witnessed and hosted the winning women's team when they won yet again the national championship. I personally met the very wealthy sponsor and got along so well with him. I also took two of the women's players out for sightseeing and a nice evening meal.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When did you author articles on Wikipedia? And Wikipedia did not say I can't author over the events in Iraq.
     
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    Do you recognize a young Rumsfeld?

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    I said you SHOULDN'T author anything on Iraq..

    In a June 9, 2004, article "Reagan Played a Decisive Role in Saddam Hussein's Survival in Iran-Iraq War," Agence France Presse points out, "

    In February 1982, the State Department dropped Baghdad from its list of state sponsors of terrorism, clearing the way for aid and trade.

    Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob G ...
    www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Reagan_WMD_Saddam.html
     
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    United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war
    It was President Reagan who established diplomatic relations with Saddam Hussein after I left office." [19] Gibson averred: "If Washington had any foreknowledge of the invasion, logic would suggest that the timing would be postponed until after the hostages were successfully released."
     
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    Journalist Alan Friedman author of Spider’s Web: The Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq discusses how Reagan normalized U.S. relations with Iraq and sold chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein.
     
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    Galbraith was a long-time Harvard faculty member and stayed with Harvard University for half a century as a professor of economics.[4] He was a prolific author and wrote four dozen books, including several novels, and published more than a thousand articles and essays on various subjects. Among his works was a trilogy on economics, American Capitalism (1952), The Affluent Society (1958), and The New Industrial State (1967). Some of his work has been criticized by economists such as Milton Friedman, Paul Krugman and Robert Solow.

    Galbraith was active in Democratic Party politics, serving in the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson. He served as United States Ambassador to India under the Kennedy administration. His political activism, literary output and outspokenness brought him wide fame during his lifetime.[5][6] Galbraith was one of the few to receive both the World War II Medal of Freedom (1946) and the Presidential Medal of Freedom (2000) for his public service and contributions to science. The government of France made him a Commandeur de la Légion d'honneur.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith
     
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    You are more than smearing Reagan, you actually believe he sold WMD to Saddam. Actually there were serious cattle problems in Iraq so one of our firms did sell to Iraq cures for the cattles ailments.

    Democrats realized that they could pretend this cure was the WMD and bash Reagan.
     
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    Perhaps Assad was worried about the clean up should he just push them off of roof tops like ISIL did to gays... Or worried the fall wouldn't finish the job... Hanging seems a kindness to them given the horrors they inflicted on anyone they dealt with...
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you read books not authored by Democrats?

    When did you read the awesome book by the married Strobers? It gives extreme details on Ronald Reagan as told in history by many many who were involved and know the truth.
     
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    (You have forgotten, Robert)

    Initially, Iraq advanced far into Iranian territory, but was driven back within months. By mid-1982, Iraq was on the defensive against Iranian human-wave attacks.

    The U.S., having decided that an Iranian victory would not serve its interests, began supporting Iraq: measures already underway to upgrade U.S.-Iraq relations were accelerated, high-level officials exchanged visits, and in February 1982 the State Department removed Iraq from its list of states supporting international terrorism.

    (It had been included several years earlier because of ties with several Palestinian nationalist groups, not Islamicists sharing the worldview of al-Qaeda. Activism by Iraq's main Shiite Islamicist opposition group, al-Dawa, was a major factor precipitating the war -- stirred by Iran's Islamic revolution, its endeavors included the attempted assassination of Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz.)

    Prolonging the war was phenomenally expensive. Iraq received massive external financial support from the Gulf states, and assistance through loan programs from the U.S.

    The White House and State Department pressured the Export-Import Bank to provide Iraq with financing, to enhance its credit standing and enable it to obtain loans from other international financial institutions. The U.S. Agriculture Department provided taxpayer-guaranteed loans for purchases of American commodities, to the satisfaction of U.S. grain exporters.

    The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan.

    These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
     
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    I studied your genocide law attempt by going to Congress for the factual history. It is simply more proof that the name of a bill does not mean it is for that purpose.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/100th-congress/house-bill/5271

    Summary: H.R.5271 — 100th Congress (1987-1988)All Information (Except Text)
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    There is one summary for H.R.5271. Bill summaries are authored by CRS.

    Shown Here:
    Introduced in House (09/09/1988)

    Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988 - Makes certain findings concerning the use of chemical weapons by Iraq and Iraq's treatment of the Kurdish people.

    Requires the U.S. Executive Director or representative at all international financial institutions to vote against all loans to Iraq.

    Prohibits the provision of any assistance, the sale of any kind of military equipment, the provision of any credits, or the provision of any credit guarantees to Iraq.

    Prohibits the sale or transfer to Iraq of any item subject to export control by any agency of the United States.

    Prohibits the importation of any oil or petroleum products produced in Iraq.

    Authorizes the President to waive such sanctions if he determines and certifies to the Congress that: (1) Iraq is not committing genocide against the Kurdish population in Iraq; and (2) Iraq is not using chemical weapons banned by the 1925 Geneva Conventions and has provided reliable assurances that it will not use such weapons.

    Expresses the sense of the Congress: (1) commending the Government of Turkey for its humanitarian decision to host thousands of Kurdish people fleeing extermination in Iraq; and (2) that the United States shall provide assistance to Kurdish refugees in need of medical treatment and other humanitarian aid.
     
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    Perhaps you had forgot. I did not forget a thing contained in the article above.
     
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    For God's sake, Robert.. look at the dates.
     
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    What does any of the above have to do with US support for Saddam under Reagan.

    You seem to not know what ad hom fallacy is - attacking the messenger rather than the message.

    Name one thing I cited from Galbraith that was wrong ?

    Give it up .. Rotten Ronnie did plenty o dirty deeds.... see post
     
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    While the list of countries that helped Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war is too long, and basically includes all the major powers in the world, including both NATO and Warsaw Pact as well as most of the Arab league (with the notable exception of Syria), the following 7 states played the most important role in helping Iraq during that war: 1- France 2- Soviet Union 3- the United States 4- Kuwait 5- Saudi Arabia 6- Jordan 7- Egypt.

    Saddam's most important arms suppliers were France and the Soviet Union. The Soviets provided most of his arms but the French provided him his most sophisticated weapons.

    Kuwait and Saudi Arabia poured tens of billions and more in petro dollars into Saddam's war coffers and allowed him to purchase whatever he wanted. (When the war ended, Saddam had a foreign debt of around $500 Billion much of it credit and loans from these two states, whereas Iran had no foreign debt owed to anyone, reflecting the amount of largess shown towards Iraq and its opposite towards Iran during the war).

    Egypt and Jordan provided him with "volunteers" who fought alongside Iraqi soldiers. Jordan (and Kuwait) also allowed Iraq to use their territory as a base for Iraqi fighter aircraft, in the case of Jordan, to keep them away from Iranian aerial attacks and in the case of Kuwait, to give Iraq better access to hit Iranian targets in the Persian Gulf.

    But as for the United States, and the Reagan administration, while US had begun covertly supplying Iraq with weapons and other assistance as far back as 1982, the US basically became a direct participant in the war in the latter stages of the conflict. The naval armada led by the US in the Persian Gulf during the so-called tanker war was there to fight off Iran, while the US fed Saddam critical battlefield intelligence and covered up his extensive use of chemical weapons, aiding and abetting Saddam in the use of such weapons in many instances. This is one example:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/2...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/
    Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

     
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    Assad is very well liked by the Syrian people, otherwise they wouldn't have joined the Syrian army and put their lives on the line. This doesn't mean there aren't people who would kill him if they could. I'm sure the car is not marked though. I know that last week an Armenian priest went in a marked car so that people would know who he was, and he was killed. Assad does seem a little nervous, and I don't blame him.

    There are a lot of videos and songs about Assad, with crowds cheering him to show the world that they love him, and telling them not to believe the lies and propaganda coming out of the Western media.

     
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    The most common defense offered by Democrats is to indeed attack the messenger. Notice you were not attacked. All I did was post information that came from Wikipedia. And for my trouble, I was attacked just above.

    I have added a lot more than any Democrat poster by bringing to their attention the finest study of Reagan ever done. IT is far more complex and complete than what Galbraith posted.
    Galbraith suffered from he did not support republicans syndrome.
     
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    ...you almost had me going there.
     
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    Every republican is rotten coming from Democrats.
     
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    I get a kick out of the sites that you select to believe. Read the Strobers book. It is heavily researched and reports come from many dozens of people.
     
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    1) I am not a Dem
    2) I did not say you attacked me - you attacked Galbraith because what he said conflicted with your nonsense narrative that the US did not support Saddam Hussein.

    We supported Saddam - That is a historical fact. It is not some secret conspiracy to tar Reagan.

    You are making yourself look silly by continuing to try to defend an indefensible position and your credibility is suffering.
     

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