"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...mmy-kimmel-hospitals-unvaccinated-ivermectin/

Fascinating. Lets use his logic. Obese people shouldn't get treatment because hey, your heart disease is your problem dude. Drunk Driver hits a tree? Let him bleed out. Illegal makes it to the border about to die of dehydration...hell, let him die, should've brought more water moron=)

And the crowd...erm, cheers? Holy ****. Imagine if Republicans said just let X die from their own decisions. WOW.

But I guess since he's just a comedian, its OK....too bad the MSM doesn't treat him as one. They use him as a measuring stick of sanity, when comments like the above makes him a truly horrible human being.

 

While I don’t agree with turning anyone away, you’re ignoring the key context of this argument.
The ERs are overrun by unvaccinated Covid patients. And it’s not just that patient, who knows how many other unvaccinated idiots he’s spreading it to.

 

I don’t agree with turning people away.

I would, however, support insurance companies withdrawing coverage for unvaccinated people who contract Covid, charge a higher premium or increase the deductible / co pay portion.

 

Unfortunately it's OTHER people who will die from Really Stupid People not getting vaccinated , spreading Covid, over taxing hospital staff, and hogging hospital beds to the detriment of others ...typical righties, think only of themselves..

 

Great idea...

 

If you're raped, wouldn't one rush to the doctor or ER/hospital immediately for a morning after pill? Oh that's right. You don't even need to go to a doctor or a hospital. You go to CVS or Planned Parenthood and get it off the shelf. No law preventing that. Might want to get your FACTS straight. I don't agree with that Texas law at all, but at least have your **** together when trying to argue a point. But its not like you ever use any sense of logic when bitching here. You don't NEED to wait 6 weeks if you're freakin RAPED. You get that taken care of instantly. And if you WAIT due to embarrassment or other such nonsense, that's on YOU. NO ONE will shame you after getting raped for doing what needs to be done. There are PLENTY that will help you in such a scenario. Get a grip.

 

Yeah... no. Kimmel is wrong to say this. I get the point but the point is that we need to vaccinate people and care for them still. Maybe they decided to not get vaccinted for a justifiable reason.

 

Other people can die from those vaccinated now too you know. Delta doesn't discriminate between vaccinated or unvaccinated. Everyone is spreading it. The difference is, vaccinated aren't dying from it, so those most at risk are those CHOOSE to be most at risk. Want to up your chances of NOT dying...get vaccinated. I am. But if you're NOT vaccinated, it really doesn't impact me at all. I'll get from you either way or NOT get it either way. But if you're sick and walking around interacting with people KNOWING you're sick, that just makes one a POS.

Bogging down the hospitals is a problem. Wish people used more common sense. Chances are the vaccinated aren't going to a hospital for Covid though. Its for something unrelated.

 

How do we know you don't know what you're talking about? You say stuff like this: "But if you're NOT vaccinated, it really doesn't impact me at all.". It does impact you because it's another person who can catch the virus and be a vector. It's one less person who can help achieve herd immunity via vaccination. Vaccination is a collective action problem, and surprise! You can't solve collective action problems if people don't want to collectively work on the problem.

 

Hospitals will never turn anyone away, and I don't want them to turn anyone away. What they will do is triage those they feel they can save, such as the vaccinated that come in. The unvaccinated may not get in the ICU if they are too full and are seen as someone the Hospital staff can't save if they are full.

Not so sure why the antivaxxists choose this as their hill to die on.

 

But as someone vaccinated, what are YOU afraid of? Catching it? And if you do? Your chance of actually getting sick is what? Do you know the statistical chance of being hospitalized? Are you afraid of getting struck by lighting every day? How about getting into a car accident? Do you not go outside due to the chance of getting struck by lighting or do you avoid cars, because of the chance of getting hit? You might want to look at the math, because if that math SCARES YOU as a VACCINATED individual, that sort of makes you a hypochondriac. That's a mental disorder. Hell I don't want to catch Covid as much as the next guy. Its why I'm vaccinated. Its why I wear a mask indoors in public. But my chances of actually getting REALLY sick and dying, is really low. REALLY really low.

"The C.D.C. reported a terrifying fact in July: Vaccinated people with the Delta variant of the Covid virus carried roughly the same viral load in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people."

Interesting eh?

 

No not really. Because I know that some random study you choose to misinterpret for whatever reason helps to prove my point. You don't know what you're talking about. Notice what you did. You said "what are you afraid of if you get vaccinated"? That's just stupid framing. But smart. Smart because it takes the focus off of your lack of understanding of how vaccination is a collective action problem. And yet stupid because well... viruses mutate and get around vaccines. To say nothing of people who can't get vaccinated due to a compromised immune system. Once again, vaccination is a collective action problem. You cannot frame this as one or two people on their own. It's a collective response that's needed as a community to protect each other. So frame it as a collective action problem.

 

It doesn’t even occur to conservatives that people might be thinking of someone other than themselves does it?
Kids can’t get vaccinated yet, and there people with legitimate medical issues who can’t.

 

Conservatives are the ones with the most kids. They know very well. =) Delta is spreading among everyone. I know a lot of vaccinated people who got Covid. Mostly just bad colds, but they're catching it none the less. Still doesn't erase what Kimmel said. I wonder if he thinks fat people who eat themselves to death should be pushed aside. Remember, they chose that life 99.9999% of the time. I'm guessing no.

 

Of course they should be treated at hospital.

But..... unless they've got an underlying medical condition that means vaccination is contraindicated their insurance companies shouldn't have to meet their bills (or alternately is allowed to hit them with a whopping great excess amount on their claim for not being vaccinated after a reasonable period of time has lapsed).

Because if COVID put them in hospital its entirely their own fault. Vaccinated and end up there (which is rare BTW)? No problem, you've done everything that could be reasonably expected of you to prevent being where you are.

 

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Smokers shouldn't be treated for cancer? That's a novel approach. Not sure I support that kind of thinking.

 

Smokers pay taxes on cigarettes and vapes etc for the privilege of enjoying their vice of choice. That money might not go directly towards their health care but they still pay it and it still makes a contribution to public revenue, same for drinkers. The COVID vaccine on the other hand is free. No-one should be forced to get vaccines but that doesn't mean ianit-vaxers should get a free ride at everyone else expense either.

 

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Imagine being raped and you are in Texas and need an abortion and are TURNED away because you were severely injured in the rape and couldn't get to have an abortion until 7 weeks.......some people applaud THAT

Being raped is and traumatized and injured to you is just "" SUCH NONSENSE" !!!!




HOW STUPID and misogynistic to think raped women are never hurt, shot, beaten, tortured, kidnapped, traumatized, in surgery, in a coma..

....is that in your rightie agenda to have rape declared legal because YOU claim women aren't injured by it ?????

YOU truly believe that after a woman is raped she just pulls up her panties and calls a taxi???

SO many of you righties think that way ...!!!!!

The stench of misogyny in that post is overwhelming....you, sir, are a true Texan.....

 

Jimmy Kimmel needs to put his blackface back on and go play the Africa circuit....SCHMUCK!

 

Kimmel is wrong. Doctors practice in an ethical profession. That means they are bound by the oath of Hippocrates. They cannot leave someone untreated because that someone displayed irresponsible behavior. For example, they have to treat a gunshot victim, even if the gunshot injury was self-inflicted in a suicide attempt.

With that said, the ethical dilemma starts when people start competing for non-existing ICU beds. What if a clinic had ICU beds at capacity, and they get two additional admissions, one unvaccinated covid victim in respiratory distress, and one vaccinated heart attack patient? How to pick who gets the first available bed? Now, the severity of the symptoms should give the preference. That could mean that a vaccinated heart attack patient could be put on the backburner by an unvaccinated covid patient. That, in essence, means that the choice to not vaccinate is not just affecting the person who didn't vaccinate, as is often claimed, it affects others too, and not just by spreading the virus around.

Food for thought, if you have refused the vaccine. Don't put doctors in this ethical dilemma where they have to pick who lives.

 

So by that logic, obese people who contract weight related diseases like Type 2 Diabetes, should have their insurance companies withdraw coverage or charge a higher premium or increase the deductible / co pay portion?

I get that it would do a lot to reduce healthcare costs by not treating or charging more for people who are not performing healthy functions, but would you include risky behaviors like unprotected sex too? No meds for people who contract AIDS?

 

Hospitals should never turn anyone away. They should always do the best they can. I feel so sorry for those in the medical profession right now. My daughter finally quit her job as a nurse. The poor girl couldn't take it anymore. Crazily overworked. I hope the *******s that refuse to get vaccinated understand that their actions are screwing so many over right now. But, I also do not believe that the governement should be able to mandate what we put in our bodies. In short, there are no easy answers when it comes to keeping everyone safe and preserving freedom at the same time. We just need to struggle through it as best we can, and help eachother out at every opportunity. These days though, it seems people are more interested in knocking down their neighbors over something as silly as political dogma.

 

Expand. Healthcare. But beyond that Jimmy Kimmel is a boring political hack at this point.

 

And new laws in Texas will say you have to marry the rapist, like in the Bible

WTF, don't any conservatives have daughters or what?