"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

They don't and you have no proof otherwise

 

A friend of mine had been in the hospital for a while from having covid and the complications that ensued. He was not vaccinated for good reasons. A few days ago, during the night, a tube began to come out, and he hit the nurse call light. No one came for two hours (he was able to watch the clock) and he was in agony. Apparently ignored calls had happened before, especially at night when no one was around to witness or go and physically get someone. The next morning, he made the decision to go off the ventilator, and he died. My question is is this a recurrent problem with our unsung heroes attempting to do as little work as possible and all patients are treated this way? Or could it be that the hateful rhetoric from Joe Biden (and Jimmy Kimmel) against the unvaccinated is already infecting the hospitals and medical establishment? Good for the do-as-we-say-or-just-die folks!

 

With The Rise Of Authoritarian National Socialism The Unvaccinated are The New Jews

Hitler would have been easy to stop had he been effectively confronted early. It's never too early to confront the illegitimate exercise of power.

We must produce our vaccine stamp as our proof of obedience to the State.

 

An obese person's likelihood of becoming infected is directly related to their EXPOSURE to the virus. If they're locked in a small sealed room with 4 skinny people and a bucket load of Delta, all of them will be infected. The fatty will simply be less able to suppress viral replication, and so will end up with a higher individual load - AND have much more difficulty surviving the symptoms.

 

It was inevitable. Our world has changed, and is going to keep changing. At some point the deliberately unvaccinated will be regarded as the lowest criminal scum.

Human nature.

 

We have a handful of the hateful right here who echo him.

 

OK, good to know the unvaxxed dont die. I would ask you for a source but I'd sooner watch a cow and wait for what comes out the other end. At least it would be real.

 

Nope. Being obese affects the entire immune system including innate immune function. Obesity is a risk factor for infection. If four skinnies and a fatty are exposed to the same number of pathogens the fatty has an increased likelihood (all else being equal) of becoming infected. Also, if one of the skinnies has low Vitamin D serum levels that individual is more likely to become infected than the other skinnies with adequate Vit. D levels. Unsurprisingly, low Vitamin D levels are associated with obesity, most likely because of the dilution effect of D being tied up in adipose tissue.

We also know ACE2 is up regulated in the obese so infectious dose is going to be smaller for the obese.

Another factor is naive T cell titers being lower in the obese. Obesity in essence “ages” the immune system to resemble that of a person of advanced age. Thus the naive T cell cohort of the obese is lower than it should be for their age. We see the positive effect of naive T cell titers in children. It’s one of the main reasons they are infected less often than adults (ACE2 is not up regulated in children either).

Not making people aware of the things they can do with their personal health to decrease chance of infection is one of the greatest failings/atrocities of/by “experts” during this pandemic.

These factors increase likelihood of breakthrough infection in vaccinated individuals as well.

I started trying to get people to look after their health back in April 2020. None of this above is a surprise to people who have studied and work with the immune system. It would be a surprise if obese people weren’t at increased risk of infection.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071603217/

Of course something like 42% of Americans have already gained an average of 29 pounds during the pandemic so obviously my advice isn’t worth much. I’m sure all that added weight is showing up in our infection rates even though “experts” won’t tell you so. But all this information is out there if anyone wants to take charge of their risk factors. You just won’t hear it from public health officials.

 

"THE BLACK FACE OF WHITE SUPREMACY": CNN Clown Don Lemon Shames Unvaxxed People (i.e. Majority of Blacks in NYC).

The Black Face Of White Supremacy Implementing Jim Crow 2.​

The Hate-Filled Face of Racism.

 

The way people are interpreting the situation is like unmasked people are carrying a gun and shooting every 30 seconds. The bullet doesn't go far but might hit someone. Most of the guns are not loaded and no one is shooting to kill. So they want everyone to put the safety on, stay so far from others the bullets won't hit anyways and stay home with your gun if possible.
That's called paranoia.

 

And as the vaccine mandates begin to affect the black community, the **** hits the fan. BLM looks set to do some "peaceful protests" against vaccine mandates. I must admit I am a little torn on this one. If BLM are going to loot, murder and burn liberal communities to stop vaccine mandates, who am I to get in the way of racial justice?

 

One of the rare occasions when I agree with you ...

 

This same "logic" would apply to anyone who does anything that risks putting them in the hospital. They all run the risk of putting doctors in this ethical dilemma. Should everyone give up all their hobbies / habits that might possibly one day land them in an ER / ICU?

 

Ummm ... this shouldn't be a surprise, but there IS "a safe, highly effective, easy to use, widely available and cheap (perhaps even free!!!) treatment for obesity": eat less.

 

Something many people seem unaware of is that the discussion around the lack of "beds" in hospitals / ICU's / whatever is very rarely (if ever) limited by the physical number of actual beds in the place, but by the capacity of the staff, particularly nurses, who are short-handed, being able to care for the number of patients.

 

I completely disagree with both of those utterly ridiculous characterizations.

Both are "sourced" from PJ Media, which has the reputation of being one of the most delusionally misguided Extreme RW Blogs out there:



It is hard to imagine that PJ Media allows the opinions of such idiots (as David Solway and Kevin Downey Jr.) to contaminate the internet with such misguided BS (through the PJ Media website).
Apparently, some people will cite anything (regardless of how misguided) in the search for confirmation bias?
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Anyway, back to Kimmel's remark (in the OP):

“That choice doesn’t seem so tough to me,” Kimmel said. “Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right in, we’ll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy.”

He added, “We’ve still got a lot of pan-dimwits out there.”

Kimmel is entitled to his opinion.
Anybody who has a problem with his opinions can tune him out and change the channel.
^Problem solved.

 

Well, people climbing Mount Everest usually don't do it in masses, so when they get mountain sickness, they don't overload hospitals.

In any case, I don't have a lot of respect for today's Mount Everest climbers either. They may put others in an even worse ethical dilemma: When they get stranded in the death zone, they put others in the bad position to either leave a fellow climber behind and die, or to have a high likelihood ro die themselves in a rescue effort. And this is much worse for the Sherpas, who are almost like slaves in this whole endeavour.

 

It's not just Mount Everest climbers that put their rescuers at risk. Backcountry hikers, people who ignore evacuation orders in the face of incoming hurricanes, people trapped in burning buildings, swimmers, etc all put their rescuers at risk. In your opinion, should people at large give up hiking, swimming, whitewater rafting, scuba diving, snowmobiling etc just because there's a foreseeable risk that one day they might end up needing rescuing, and their rescuers may themselves be injured / killed in the process?

 

Well, people trapped in burning buildings didn't get trapped on their own doing. In any case, none of those activities will ever overload hospital ICUs, so there is no real comparison.

 

Sometimes they do. Ever heard of (or seen) people disregarding fire alarms?

According to the CDC, COVID cases are a single-digit percentage of emergency department visits and inpatient beds occupied nationwide. Only 61% of ICU beds are even occupied currently (all patients). Unvaccinated people are not overloading hospital ICUs.

 

Lol. Oh look! More blm terrorist organizing. I was told this doesn't happen.

 

Kimmel aware that at the border we are flooding in 10's of thousands of illegal people who will undoubtedly be swamping our social systems including health care?

Is he mad about that or...

 

Sorry to hear that you (apparently) are so MISINFORMED...

A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...virus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia

 

Easy to say. Much harder (for many people) to do. The whole point of my argument was that if losing weight and therefore preventing obesity related illnesses like heart disease and diabetes etc was as easy to do as getting vaccinated (which it is obviously isn't) then health insurance companies and/or government health providers would be perfectly entitled to demand that people who refused to take the treatment concerned should pay an additional premium on their health insurance for the privilege of refusing. In other words they don't get a free ride on the backs of everyone else who does get treated.

 

Pretty sure not opening your mouth and sticking high sugar foods in it is easy to do...

What about smokers? Or recreational drug abuse? Alcohol abuse? People who play sports?

Oh what a slippery slope.