"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

That is what they want you to believe, yes.

In this time of universal deception, it's not true.

From high schools to everywhere else around the world, the higher the rate of vaccination in any given population group, the higher the rate of infection.

Luc Montagnier and Robert Malone are 2 scientists who predicted this outcome. There are many more.

 

No slippery slope involved.

Smokers and drinkers pay taxes on their vice of choice which, even if they don't go directly towards paying for any additional health car costs do go into the government's coffers. In other words they pay their way.

Users of illegal narcotics obvious don't but then their already engaged in an illegal unregulated consumer market and I'm talking only about doing what can be done not what should be done. In order to make addicts pay higher health premiums you'd effectively have to legalize the drugs they are taking
and put them on the same footing as tobacco an alcohol.

And as far as overeating/obesity goes? Like any vice, including illegal drugs saying it's 'Oh it's easy to kick the habit' is something only someone whose not addicted to anything can say.

In other words. I suggest you try doing something before suggesting 'doing it' is easy!

Sports? It depends on the sport doesn't it. In general physical activity is a big health plus. Health funds recognize this and often offer inducements to customers to get physically fit. That said there are sports and then there are sports. Try getting health insurance if your favorite sport is sky diving, free soloing or some other dangerous endeavor. Dam right insurance companies will calculate the extra risk and then charge you a premium for the privilege of being insured for injuries acquired while enjoying that sport.

 

Sounds like BLM wants to make a health and safety policy into a racial issue. Which is ridiculous.

 

Lol so in other words try to bankrupt someone for not getting vaccinated.
I gotta admit, I’m going to thoroughly enjoy watching the self-righteous vaxxers who want to ruin people lives, careers, financial status, children’s ability to get an education, etc etc... I’m going to thoroughly enjoy watching them when they finally realize the mistake they made by taking a vaccine with no long term safety data.

 

so a comedian says that, and it's an issue

a member of the GOP says this and not an issue?

"Trump Official Says Diabetes A Preexisting Condition Not Worthy Of Coverage"

https://diabetestalk.net/popular/tr...-preexisting-condition-not-worthy-of-coverage

 

"MAYBE JOE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP: His Fraudulency in his September 9 speech all but called people morons who have thus far declined to get the jab, according to Issues & Insights. But guess what, the vaccination rate went down, not up. Still, the good news is Covid infection rates are headed downward. So much for unity and leadership instead of mean tweets."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/474806/

So how is our Idiot Moron doing?

On Sept. 2, almost 907,000 got a shot. Our Idiot Moron gave his speech. Then on Sept. 16, that number was 773,763.

There is another problem with the Idiot Moron's bullying, the Delta surge had already peaked and is on the decline in many states, including those with the lowest vaccination rates.

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The whole game with this clowns is "keep American divided and at each other's throats." So they contrive controversy after controversy to keep the "us" vs "them" divide that keeps us pitted against each other so we don't notice how badly they are screwing up while they loot our society. The latest reason for us to be at each other's throats is that the vaxxed are supposed to hate and loathe the unvaxxed.

These idiots fool no one.

 

I want you to read the attached story in its entirety (these stories are blackballed by the MSM), the story has very very bad ending and I hope the hospital is sued into oblivion. There is a *******n reason that America has the 14th worst fatality rate in the entire *******n world. Almost every country on earth is handling the virus better than America. The reason for this is clear, our elites are corrupt clowns of the large pharmaceutical companies. American doctors have been denying life saving care in exchange for ridiculously overpriced experimental treatments.

https://www.prvbsgirl2.com/my-dads-story-c-vid-didnt-kill-him

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

I have never had less faith in America's medical community than right now. They have shamed themselves and they have shamed America. We are literally vying for WORST IN THE ENTIRE WORLD for Covid care. We have American doctors denying treatments used all over the world for Covid EVEN WHEN THREATENED BY LAWYERS.

 

So the entire world developed a simultaneous case of 'paranoia', but not you. You're one of the very few people who isn't that gullible.

 

No they don't, because obesity isn't contagious.

 

Smoking, drinking, bungee jumping, skydiving, using wingsuits....there are tons of things that people do that can or does adversely affect their health. And for things like obesity... those that holler about it like to claim that they have a right to regulate such things because it affects where their tax dollars go to.

 

Eventually it will be necessary for public health systems to deny treatment for 'self-inflicted' injury or disease. Our populations will reach a point where we have to either accept Third World care, or exclude the self-harmers.

It's only a matter of time.

 

Yes, and none of those are contagious either.

 

I appreciate the articles, but what in the world do they have to do with BLM and the comments I made about them?

 

This was the entirety of Quantum Nerd's post that I was replying to:

It wasn't about 'you're spreading a contagious disease' (and, I've been assured by the CDC, the vaccine protects people from needing ICU care even if they do come into contact with a contagious person), it was 'don't engage in risky behavior that might land you, personally, in the ICU where you're occupying a bed that someone else might need (and a doctor might have to choose between you and that other person for who gets the spot)', and that logic about risky behavior and occupying a bed that others might need would apply just the same to all sorts of risky behavior people engage in, from smoking to being obese to rock climbing or skiing.

 

Why do you think it's relevant if it's contagious? I'm genuinely having trouble following why you interjected that here as if its relevant to something. Could you elaborate more on why you think that's important?

 

"self harmers" could be defined broadly enough to exclude practically everyone.

 

You ignored the rest of my post.

Also, smoking does affect others. So in a way its "contagious" as second hand smoke can give non-smokers cancer.

 

Yes, exactly. And I support public health sectors to move towards reducing care to those whose condition is self-inflicted (by skydiving, obesity, smoking, rock fishing, whatever).

The oath was established in a time and place when few people deliberately harmed their health, and so it was quite a safe oath to take. 99.9% of your customers were injured or sick through no fault of their own. In a time (and place) where easily 50% of your customers chose to invite their disease or injury, the oath has become a liability. Those who actually 'deserve' your oath, are going to be unable to receive your promised care.

 

Not at all. Like anything, there would have to be clear boundaries and limits.

We already know which 'macro' behaviours lead to a greatly increased risk of injury or disease, and so it would simply be a matter of going with statistical indicators. A dash too much salt in your Bolognese sauce wouldn't make the list, but a body mass index above 30 would. Etc etc.

 

the ironic thing is, the government's dietary recommendations are high carb\low fat

maybe the public can sue the government for giving such bad advice all these years

insulin is the fat storage hormone and blocks buring fat... so no wonder people getting obese, carbs release the most insulin

 

Did I say bankrupt'? If so point to where? I'll make it simple for you.

I'm stating that people who don't want to get vaccinated should pay a premium on their health insurance for choosing to forgo vaccination with said premium being based on normal actuarial risk tables for the likelihood of them getting ill as a result . In other words the premium covers the anti-vaxer and their family for the risk of being hospitalized in the they catch and are hospitalized by a preventable disease. Failing that the government can and should collect at least part of the cost of their treatment back from them because they could have avoided being there in the first place but chose not to.

And its not self-righteousness so your wrong there to (your on a roll)! I'm simply tired of anti-vaxers sponging off their communities.

Its called the free rider problem and its a classic problem in market failure and economics, look it up if you don't know what it is. Its also what anti-vaxers are doing i.e. getting a free ride on the backs of everyone other member of their community who is vaccinated and who is paying for their communities health care.

You don't want to get vaccinated fine. No problem just pay your way. That or explain why I should have to pay a higher premium on my families health insurance just to cover your lifestyle choices.

 

Well...wonders never cease. Something we agree on. Yes. The recommended diet is bad. It's probably this way because carbs are cheap and proteins are expensive. Who knows?

BUT. If you are downing supersized mc donalds...you are not fat because of following this guide. you are fat because you got hooked on fast food junk.

Oh. And ADHD? Probably a thing because the diet we feed our children is also high high HIGH sugar.

 

This would literally mean we deny treatment to over 90% of the people who are currently hospitalized for COVID. It would have devastating consequences to human life.

 

It would take our current society something like a few nanoseconds to politicize this and weaponize it. Democrats would be lobbying to exclude things done primarily by white people and Republicans and Republicans would be lobbying to exclude things done primarily by Democrats and minorities. Icky Republicans hurt while working on the farm? They should have known better. They're "self-harmers" because it was a known risk. Black guy shot in a drive by? He's a "self-harmer" because he's in a gang, or on drugs, or both. This is one reason, among many, why we should be working to minimize the government's involvement in healthcare rather than maximizing it.

 

Never????

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/26/us/covid-florida-doctor-cancer-patient/index.html
Hospital filled with Covid-19 patients was forced to turn away someone needing emergency cancer treatment, doctor says

https://cbs12.com/news/local/half-o...atient-transfers-17k-covid-patients-statewide
Half of Florida hospitals turning away patient transfers

https://www.wtva.com/content/news/F...zens-of-COVID-filled-hospitals-575309921.html
Man turned away by dozens of COVID-filled hospitals