"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    I don't care that you get so emo about this. Them lot did not take the vax because they thought they wouldn't need it despite what the general well accepted medical experts said.

    It's their own choice, so the consequences of that choice are their own problem.

    There is no anti-AIDS vaccination so your comparison is flawed. A better comparison would be:
    A person who chose to be intoxicated out of it's own free will and getting in trouble because of that choice, in my eyes, should be a 2nd class patient.
    Especially when them lot are flooding the hospitals with record numbers, giving other people not the care they otherwise would get.

    Uhh.. this is not about preventing, carrying or transmitting. This is about who needs medical care at the EXPENSE of others when hospitals are flooded with patients.
     
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    The system is flooded by people who freely choose to not get vaxxed. We all know it wouldn't happen if they took them jabs, and they are causing the problems that others do not get the care they otherwise would have gotten. So I'm drawing the line there and point out how to solve it. While you are not able to present a better idea other than, we can solve it in 4 to 8 years but not now.

    Why on earth do I need to look something up, so you can make an argument?
    Go look it up on your own and make your own argument! lol
    /facepalm
     
  3. ToughTalk

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    Ya. I'm saying "deal with it" because the flooding of our health care system isn't going to go away anytime soon because you have an administration that is flooding in migrants who may or may not be vacc'd but will all want to use our social services regardless which includes...drum roll...health care.

    So screw your line in the sand.

    I've already looked up the most recent statement from the CDC regarding people who have been vaccinated yet still carry the virus. Shocker here but it's vastly under reported because their data relies on volunteered information. And the likelihood of someone being vaccinated is such that they will have a mild to no symptoms experience and thus...not report it. But they will walk around spreading it regardless. The best statement the CDC has on the length of time that a vaccinated person carries the disease is also very carefully worded. They "may" (or may not) carry the disease for a shorter period of time.

    So with all this being said. While I'm double vaccinated and freely chose to do so, because I thought it was the right choice for myself. Because I've never had a bad reaction to the flu shot and knew I'd handle it just fine. And I'm comfortable and familiar with similar shots. I absolutely protect an individual's right to NOT want to get jabbed for whatever reason. That's America. That's called freedom. And if all you have to try to force someone into getting jabbed is a flooded health care system. Then your argument falls apart the moment I present you with the many reasons as to why our health care will continue to get flooded especially due to the policies your administration wants to enact.

    So get used to it.
     
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  4. Pycckia

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    There are many who declare that health care is a right.
     
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    By overrun, you're meaning understaffed... right? First we pay people NOT to work and then we fire those we once considered heroes and now villainize those same heroes who faced the pandemic head on!

    Massive Nurse Shortage Hits Houston—Weeks After 150 Unvaccinated Nurses and Hospital Workers Fired
     
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    Are you willing to answer this same question about people who are obese? People who smoke? People who suffer any injury or illness that could possibly have occurred due to their own decisions?

    I'm pretty sure you're just being a raging hypocrite here for no other reason than you, as a typical leftist (go ahead and get pissed and tell everybody you're not, it's always entertaining), just can't stand when someone wants to live their lives differently than you do.

    You hate people different than you....we get it, you can move on now.
     
  7. Collateral Damage

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    I am not 'emo' (not a word in my dictionary, but I'll make a guess at it) about this. Why would you make such a false assumption? Your additional assumption that people didn't have the vaccination 'because they didn't need it' is also a hyperbolic assumption. It seems your post is rife with assumptions. What about those who had previously been infected? Or received the first injection, but hadn't made it to the second? Or those who did receive the second, but hadn't made it the 10 days? Or the booster shot? It's a well established fact that the vaccination effectiveness wanes, so if someone doesn't get the additional shots, are they a 'second class citizen' also?

    So anyone who makes a choice, is responsible for the consequences. Without going off topic, please keep the statement you made forefront in your mind when applied to other voluntary actions, eh?

    So if a vaccinated person infects a non-vaccinated person and they get sick, the non-vaccinated person should be treated as a second class person. Do you realize what you are actually promoting?

    Carrying and transmitting is most definitely a part of the issue, there is no possibility otherwise, or exactly how did anyone get sick? Magical dust while in quarantine? Those who received the vaccination think themselves immune... they aren't.
     
  8. notme

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    I am not aware that migrants are flooding the hospitals.
    Source this, or else we have to go forth that this isn't happening.


    Not seeing how they are the ones flooding the hospitals while also are the ones who can do something about it. The unvaxxed can, but don't.
    And since the unvaxxed are causing the problem out of their own free will, but can be prevented, it means in my eyes Kimmel is right in how to solve that problem.

    huh?
    I am not against freedom. I am supporting the idea that when people make a free choice that comes with a risk, that they are responsible for their own actions especially when it has negative consequences for others. You're not even commenting on it.
     
  9. ToughTalk

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    Ah. And yet vaccinated people are also spreading the virus to a degree we can't be certain. Only that it is under reported. So if vaccinated people spread it, and unvaccinated people spread it. Which brings us to the fact that all you have is a over crowded health care system that needs to care for people who are making their own personal life choices with risk and reward. Which has always been the case. Be it people who are in the hospital for broken bones from skate boarding...or lung cancer from smoking. Or broken noses from fighting. Alcohol poisoning, drug overdoses...drug addiction, car accidents. yadda yadda yadda. I'd wager that the vast majority of people in the hospital at any given time are in due to piss poor life choices that resulted in their injury. We just adapt and deal with it.

    As for documentation of illegals flooding the health care system, well...do you expect them NOT to use it? When you increase the population but do not increase the system, you cause over crowding. That's just logic.
     
  10. Pred

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    Part of the problem is that we even allow any of our resources to be used by illegals in the first place. Free healthcare in our hospitals. Free citizenship for their babies which ensures free citizenship for
    the mothers. Free education for their children. In some states even drivers licenses.

    We’re being taken advantage of and fleeced, drained by leeches.
     
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    It is. It just sucks that the same people screaming it isn’t and denying it to others are fine getting it themselves
     
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    I have answered this numerous times.
    First, they are not given free or subsidized medical treatment so the comparison doesn’t make sense. Second, they are not the primary ones fighting for all citizens to have nation healthcare provided. So again — your comparison doesn’t equal what I am speaking of.

    I could say “I’m pretty sure you’re just a raging fascist with zero reading comprehension” but I will leave the childish insults to you.

    Y'all make it so easy to do.
     
  13. mudman

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    Dead wrong. It's a perfect comparison for the question you asked. You asked nothing more than should taxpayers pay for someone who didn't get the vaccine? You didn't quantify or stipulate anything. You're running from your own question. And you question my reading comprehension....kinda hard to predict you'll change your own question to suit your argument.

    And I'm glad you can admit you hate people different than you (tolerance and inclusion, the leftist way)
     
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  14. Pycckia

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    Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice. pays to virtue.


    Of course. They are fighting for advantage for themselves. Makes perfect sense. Many here claim healthcare is a right and want to deny it to others.

    "Politics is the strife of interest masquerading as the contest of principles.''
     
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    I simply figured someone would follow the thread before taking someone’s position out of context.

    I have zero issues with having a national healthcare system for all Americans, I do take issue with having such a system — albeit temporary — that takes care of only the people that are against said system for others.

    It is ironic that you are whining that I did answer your question after you have done nothing but deflect from mine. Let me know if you need me to explain what the world ironic means.
     
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    You're right, you did ask a question that I didn't answer.

    Yes, I do think the non vaccinated should get treated. If my tax dollars have to support non tax payers for damn near everything in this country, then my tax dollars can support someone who's not vaccinated for their medical expenses.

    And opposing a national healthcare system doesn't mean people aren't going to use it if it's all there is. If their tax dollars are paying for it, they have the right to use it regardless of how horrible a system it may be.
     
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    We don’t have a national healthcare system for anything else though. If we had one this would be a moot point.

    The question was why should the main group opposed to a national healthcare system be given free treatment due to choice when someone that is ill due to no fault of their own (ie cancer, type 1 diabetes, genetic disorders).
     
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    And again, they're still paying for it with their taxes.

    First off, it isn't free treatment for anybody who pays taxes.

    If you oppose someone who's unvaccinated from receiving treatment, are you going to refund a part of their taxes to them? Either they can use the system they're paying for or they shouldn't be required to pay for the system.
     
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    The cancer patient is also paying taxes. Why shouldn’t they receive the same treatment?
     
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    mudman Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure where I said they shouldn't.....
     
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    That is my argument.
    If you support a national healthcare system for all citizens then we are in agreement.

    I simply want equality. Either no one should get it or all should.
     
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    And so what. This is not preventable.
    All you got going is a wild guess and that's not good enough to determine if you should give some person the care needed, or else put on a wait list. While we know for sure the unvaxxed are creating the problem in hospitals.

    We are talking about what is flooding the hospitals. And you're dragging in a slight increase that hardly has any impact, as if that is the problem.
    /facepalm
     
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    Bring up any ailment and I can most likely point that ailment as being brought on through piss poor life choices.

    A slight increase? You don't know that. You have no idea what the impact of flooding in illegal immigrants to come and abuse our social systems is. All you know for sure is that it expands the population without expanding the health care system. And you are ok with it so. Ya.

    Time to be ok with this one, chief.
     
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    Not sure what covid credentials you possess, but your assertions that the vaccinated are an issue ignores the obvious.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewal...icu-beds-left-as-covid-hospitalizations-soar/
     
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    I'm not interested in your opinion of "most likely", with nothing to back it up... while I sourced the % of the unvaxxed covid patients in hospitals is sky high. As posted in 174, 78% of the ICU beds are used by people who took the liberty of risking to be there. They can all be kicked out and replaced by people who couldn't help to be sick.

    I asked you to source it, and you do not.
     
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