Jones Act waivers aren't a solution; they're a symptom of the problem

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Margot2, Sep 15, 2018.

  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You may not agee, but take some time to look at this point of view. I think this old law should be repealed.

    Jones Act waivers aren't a solution; they're a symptom of the problem

    Residents of Hawaii — like the residents of any area regularly visited by hurricanes — know how to prepare for a big storm. Plywood goes up on windows. Yards are cleared of debris. Supermarket shelves are stripped bare as people stock up on water, food, and emergency supplies.

    The sad irony is that we can take all the proper steps to prepare for a hurricane, but our ability to recover is heavily dependent on a decision made thousands of miles away in Washington, DC. And like all decisions made in Washington, it’s subject to politics.

    I’m speaking of requesting a Jones Act waiver in the aftermath of a disaster. And the inherent absurdity of a hurricane-ravaged area having to beg for a reprieve from a law that hampers rebuilding efforts.

    The Jones Act is a century-old law governing American shipping. It requires that any goods traveling between two U.S. ports do so on ships built and flagged in America, with a predominantly American crew. Intended to protect the American shipping industry, the Jones Act has presided over the slow decline of U.S. shipyards.

    Meanwhile, it puts additional burdens on shipments to U.S. ports, especially in noncontiguous territories like Hawaii and Puerto Rico. When a disaster occurs, the only way to allow non-Jones Act ships to aid the affected areas is through a Jones Act waiver.

    The destruction caused by hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria in 2017 all brought the Jones Act — and how it hampers the shipment of vital supplies — into the popular consciousness. The Trump administration quickly issued Jones Act waivers following Harvey and Irma, which had seriously affected fuel shipments in the Gulf of Mexico.

    However, a waiver for Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria was slower in coming. Debate raged for days before the president granted a 10-day waiver in response to a request from the governor of Puerto Rico.

    Jones Act waivers for areas hit by hurricanes have become more common, but they aren’t automatic. Limited waivers were granted after Hurricane Sandy in 2012 and hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005. Opponents of the waivers claim they aren’t necessary, won’t help or won’t result in additional shipments of supplies.

    Following Hurricane Rita, the U.S. shipping industry claimed there were sufficient Jones Act ships to help.

    Waivers are granted on the theory that they’re necessary for national security. While this is not necessarily a difficult case to make, someone does need to request the waiver. In an area like Hawaii, politicians (who would ordinarily make the request) often have existing relationships with Jones Act interests. That’s why the Grassroot Institute decided to step in when Hawaii was threatened by Hurricane Lane.

    continued

    http://thehill.com/opinion/internat...nt-a-solution-theyre-a-symptom-of-the-problem
     
    Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  2. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Few major political figures in Hawaii have dared to oppose the well-heeled Jones Act interests, so the Grassroot Institute decided not to wait until after the disaster to ask for help.

    On Aug. 22, we sent a letter to President Donald Trump
    requesting a Jones Act waiver for Hawaii if the hurricane were to hit our state.

    Thankfully, the islands were not hit directly, but many residents still suffered damage, and a Jones Act waiver would have helped keep the flow of goods coming. However, there’s a bigger lesson to be learned from the waiver process.

    The fact that a waiver is needed to address emergency situations is eloquent testimony to the fact that the Jones Act is a continuous burden to businesses and consumers.

    In essence, U.S. Jones Act policy could be summarized as: “We expect you to put up with the expense and inconvenience all of the time — but if you’re really in trouble, we’ll give you a break.”

    It is absurd that we are reduced to petitioning for relief from the act during an emergency. It is more absurd that Congress hasn’t acted to modernize the Act and eliminate the harm that it does when we’re not in crisis.

    Malia Hill is the policy director of the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii (@GrassrootHawaii), a public policy think tank dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, free markets and limited, accountable government.
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  3. webrockk

    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    25,361
    Likes Received:
    9,081
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Metric tons of emergency provisions were promptly delivered to Puerto Rico that were never made available to Puerto Ricans.

    another case of a solution looking for a problem...
     
  4. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Have you looked at a timeline? The hospital ship left for PR on the 26th and was 96 hours out.

    Waiver for the Jones Act was delayed.

    "However, a waiver for Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria was slower in coming. Debate raged for days before the president granted a 10-day waiver in response to a request from the governor of Puerto Rico."
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  5. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2018
    Messages:
    12,354
    Likes Received:
    11,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not to mention the corrupt leaders in Puerto Rico stealing money meant to go to the people. Maybe they should start to "lead" and get that country back up and running.

    Another typical Democrat run country washed down the rat hole.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-mayor-two-others-arrested-on-corruption-charges/
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
    webrockk likes this.
  6. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bucky, why do you think everything from nails to milk and orange juice ar 50% higher in the islands?

    BTW, there are over 40 majors in Puerto Rico.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  7. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2018
    Messages:
    12,354
    Likes Received:
    11,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Margot, what does any of that have to do with Puerto Rico being unable to get back on their feet? You just make stuff up or piece lousy ideas together and come up with a nothing burger.

    Why do YOU think prices are higher for just about everything ON ALL islands?
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
  8. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    None of it matters if the authorities don't act. I'd be willing to bet that a sizable amount of those containers end up in the hands of merchants with Government connections.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
    TheGreatSatan and JakeStarkey like this.
  9. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I believe you meant mayors? If so they're 78 mayors on an island with only 3.2 million folks. In contrast NYC has 8.5 million people and only 1 mayor.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
  10. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    5 reasons the Jones Act is a bargain.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...sons-the-jones-act-is-a-bargain/#6be467723d96

    Many countries have so-called "cabotage" laws restricting who may provide transport services within their borders, and the laws don't just apply to ships -- they may also cover airlines, railroads and trucking. It is easy to find fault with such restrictions, but they often are grounded in legitimate security concerns. Here are five seldom-noted benefits of the Jones Act that explain why the law is more important to national security than the critics seem to realize.
     
    Margot2 likes this.
  11. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The article is dated September 28. The biggest reason why goods could not be delivered from the ports was due to a shortage of diesel fuel. The trucks were plentiful and so were drivers. Many of the large commercial generators used at hospitals operate on diesel fuel. Increasing the island's capacity to store large amounts of diesel fuel should be high on PR's priority list.
     
    mdrobster, ThorInc and Margot2 like this.
  12. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOLOL.. Yes.. I did mean MAYORS. How stupid of me. Thanks.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  13. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I built a house on a tiny island.. You cannot imagine the price of galvanized nails or plywood.
     
    Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  14. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not stupid Margot2, just a brain fart.
     
    Bowerbird, Margot2 and ThorInc like this.
  15. ThorInc

    ThorInc Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2017
    Messages:
    19,183
    Likes Received:
    11,126
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Question is why was the waiver actually delayed or was is only waived when the political pressure and media attention became too much to bare?
     
    Bowerbird and Margot2 like this.
  16. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2015
    Messages:
    46,847
    Likes Received:
    18,959
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
    Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  17. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2018
    Messages:
    12,354
    Likes Received:
    11,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, I can. You are not the only who knows anything about islands. You are straying way off topic, anyway. None of this proves your original opening statement in this topic.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2018
  18. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There was political pressure to waive the the Jones Act.
     
    Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  19. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL.. Thanks.. I am too old to "multitask"...
     
    Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  20. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm only good at walking and chewing gum.
     
    Bowerbird, Margot2 and ThorInc like this.
  21. therooster

    therooster Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2014
    Messages:
    13,004
    Likes Received:
    5,494
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wow , its official . Margot lives everywhere.
     
  22. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It wasn't my house.
     
    ThorInc likes this.

Share This Page