Jordan Peterson book banned and university invite rescinded.

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Kind of ironic in retrospect, since you just did the same.
     
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    I've no idea, really. I tried a couple of times just because he's everywhere on the internet (despite being shut down everywhere, always, because leftists hate freedom, apparently) but after a few minutes of brow furrowing waffle I just ended up wondering why he was yelling at me like some nutcase on the street. That's when I realised he's a yelling nutcase on the street.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have support for your claims regarding pronouns?

    He does not attack trans people either, btw. Why not familiarize yourself with his writings and then offer an opinion?
     
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    I think it means chosen names.
     
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    Let's say you spoke openly at work about your love for Bernie Sanders. Maybe wore Bernie hats. You'd likely be fired for that?
     
  8. yardmeat

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    In college I saw people fired for refusing to wear anti-Kerry shirts as a "work uniform."
     
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    Sorry, more info please? No clue who Kerry is :/
     
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    Once upon a time guy named John Kerry ran against George Bush.
     
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    So people were fired for being Pro Kerry?
     
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    Worse than that. They were fired for not explicitly being anti-Kerry.
     
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    So you can't be fired for political views generally. You can only be fired for having the 'wrong' political views?

    Kinda like North Korea, then :)
     
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    Or chosen pronouns. If it's to be an effective study there should be more clarity. And no one I know has ever been anti transgender, nor has Peterson. If he was I'd not bother with him, now would many others.
     
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    Can principles only be conservative?
     
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    Do you know what Peterson's breach was?
     
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    He obviously hasn’t actually breeched any policies he hasn’t signed up to yet. It seems perfectly clear that the university believe that statements he’s previously made could put him in conflict with their policies and they won’t want the hassle and negative publicity were that to happen. There will be other people who could fulfil the same kind of role with less risk of issues so there’s no need for them to offer it to him specifically. Their perception of him might not be accurate and the decision might not be fair but the basic rationale is clear and nothing like as extreme as you tried to make out in your OP.
     
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    You were talking about staff being in BREACH of policy, but remember, the quote was, "[Cambridge] is an inclusive environment and we expect all our staff and visitors to uphold our principles. There is no place here for anyone who cannot." So what about visitors? It isn't clear what "uphold our principles" means when it comes to visitors.

    I took the quote to mean that any visitor with different opinions to a set list of ideas isn't welcome. Perhaps I am mistaken, but if this WAS what it meant, wouldn't you share my feeling that it is extreme?
     
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    If you can’t work that out, how do you even operate in normal society? Everywhere has rules, principles and expected levels of behaviour which the vast, vast majority of sane adults successfully navigate every single day. And it’s not as if treating other people with the same basic level of respect regardless of their race, religion, sexuality or gender is an unusual or difficult concept. I can only hope you’re being intentionally argumentative on this aspect because otherwise you’d have much more fundamental issues than this to deal with.
     
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    Where is race, religion, sexuality or gender mentioned in the quote from the university's spokesperson?
     
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    They forgot to say what principles Peterson does not uphold.
    I think it is not by mistake.
    If they bothered to write down those principles, they should provide the official document they are defined in.
    However there is no such document and if there exists one, we can find multitude of people who work there that do not uphold those principles either.
     
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    I wasn't quoting any spokesperson, that was me speaking directly to you. Like all large organisations, Cambridge University has plenty of easily available documentation of it's policies and principles if you actually cared to find out (and if you were going to work there, surely you should care) and there is really nothing unusual or extreme about theirs. Anyone incapable of understanding that would struggle to get by anywhere in civil society.
     
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    My point is that they didn't say what principle he broke.
     

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