Judge in Flynn case orders Mueller to turn over interview docs after bombshell claim of FBI pressure

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  1. LogNDog

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    One day after former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's legal team made the bombshell allegations that the FBI had pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House, the federal judge overseeing Flynn's criminal case late Wednesday ordered Special Counsel Robert Mueller to turn over all of its highly secret documents related to the questioning.

    U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan -- who overturned the 2008 conviction of former U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens after government misconduct came to light -- is weighing how to sentence Flynn, who pleaded guilty to one count of lying to federal authorities in the Russia probe during that interview in the West Wing. Flynn faced mounting legal bills that forced him to sell his home in the run-up to his guilty plea, and Mueller has recommended he receive no prison time.


    Sullivan's extraordinary request puts Mueller under the microscope and sets a Friday afternoon deadline for the special counsel's office to turn over sensitive FBI documents under seal. The judge's review could shed light on why the FBI apparently took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency's sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fl...ll-filing-claiming-he-was-pressured-by-agents

    Judge Sullivan inherited the Flynn case after Judge Rudolph Contreras was recused from the case on Dec. 7. He almost immediately ordered Mueller to turn over all exculpatory evidence to Flynn's attorneys. Mueller's team was hiding evidence that Flynn was legally entitled to.
    https://thehill.com/policy/national...r-in-flynn-case-prompts-new-round-of-scrutiny

    This judge doesn't mess around. He has slammed the IRS, State Department and Hillary Clinton before. He knows the details of all of the cases and how the FBI and DOJ have handled prior cases. He isn't afraid of throwing out a case out if he finds the DOJ or the FBI over stepped their grounds.

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    Seems like every few weeks theres a new legal 'bombshell'. One week 'This'll fry Trump for sure' and next week its 'Mueller really stepped in it this time.'

    Its starting to feel like WWF wrestling or w/e tf its called now...
     
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    Oh my god!

    A judge makes a procedural order! He orders BOTH SIDES to produce some documents!

    This is it! This is really it!

    OK, maybe Flynn has not actually asked that his guilty plea be withdrawn, and both Flynn and Mueller are 100 percent on the same page when it comes to sentencing, but this is really it this time! The Mueller investigation is over!
     
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    I can see why you would want to minimize the possible repercussions of this order by the judge but it's not normal for a judge to order all of the secret documents, to include all of the FBI 302s, to be turned over to him before sentencing in a case where the defendant has already pleaded guilty. It's also not ordinary for the judge to have to order that all the evidence be given to the defendant. The defendant should have been given the exculpatory evidence in the beginning. Cases are thrown out of court for not turning over evidence that is favorable for the defendant.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what happens either way. We might get more of an insight as to what is going on from the court docs after he rules.
     
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    Based entirely upon the ASSUMPTION that there is either exculpatory evidence or government misconduct.

    If neither of those turn up then the judge could decide to send Flynn to jail instead.

    One thing is for sure, if he accepts the recommendations of the prosecutors or gives Flynn jail time then you will have to accept that there is no government misconduct.
     
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    Wow...very rare to see this type of thing after a plea and sentencing memo. It will be interesting to see what is there for the judge to make this sort of ruling
     
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    It's only 8:15 in the morning, and that's already likely the funniest thing I'll read all day...
     
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    Yeah, the likeliness of that happening are slim to none, Trumpers reside in reality/critical thought denial/inability.
     
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    Actually, no. There could be misconduct that wouldn't reflect in what the judge thinks should be Flynn's sentence. Either there was exculpatory evidence or the judge didn't trust Mueller's team to produce the evidence because the judge wouldn't have ordered it released to Flynn if there wasn't reason for doubt.
     
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    Over 30 years he faithfully served in our nation's uniform, in good times and at times under enemy fire. How horribly Dirty Mueller has abused his authority. We pray that Flynn will be granted justice by the nation he has so faithfully served.

    Judge in Flynn case demands more documents before passing sentence

    Judge Emmet G. Sullivan throws a wild card on the table, raising the possibility that a miscarriage of justice may finally be called out and the guilty plea coerced by Team Mueller thrown out.
     
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    Flynn is going to use this to sue the government and a **** ton of Mueller's team.

    The abused his 4th Amendment Rights in severe ways. He has a monster case against Mueller, et al.
     
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    Time for Mueller and Weissman to be financially destroyed. Mueller is the scum of the earth personified.

    What they have sown, they so shall reap.
     
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    Yeah, more coming out:

    ""Former FBI Director James Comey admitted in a recent interview that he personally made the decision to send a pair of agents to interview President Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn in 2017, and acknowledged the arrangement was not typical for dealing with a White House official."


    Comey went on to acknowledge the way the interview was set up – not through the White House counsel’s office, but arranged directly with Flynn – was not standard practice. He called it “something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
    Describing how it is usually done, Comey said, “If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals and who would be there.”
    Recalling his decision to bypass those steps, Comey said, “I thought: ‘It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.’”


    "But according to Flynn's legal team, FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime and decided not to "confront" him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.

    Earlier this week, Flynn's legal team also made the allegation that the FBI had pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his interview with agents at the White House."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...ents-to-interview-mike-flynn-was-not-standard
     
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    Here's more. They went over claiming that they wanted to talk to him about a training session but it wasn't about a training session.

    "According to the FBI summary of the interview—known as a 302—Mr. McCabe and FBI officials “decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport.”

    We also know from then FBI Director James Comey that this was his idea. This is “something I probably wouldn’t have done or wouldn’t have gotten away with in a more organized administration,” Mr. Comey boasted on MSNBC this weekend. “In the George W. Bush Administration or the Obama Administration, if the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, there would be discussions and approvals and who would be there. And I thought, it’s early enough let’s just send a couple guys over.”

    If the goal was to set a legal trap, it worked. The two agents showed up at the White House within hours of Mr. McCabe’s call, and they reported in the 302 that General Flynn had been “relaxed and jocular” and “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” One of the agents was Peter Strzok, who is famous for his anti-Trump texts to his FBI paramour.

    The FBI agents had seen transcripts of Mr. Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador that were “unmasked” by Obama Administration officials. The 302 says that rather than flag this and ask Mr. Flynn for an explanation, the FBI agents decided before the meeting that if “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used, . . . to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said, . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”"


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-entrapment-11544658915
     
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    4th amendment? He volunteered to talk to them, he could have told them to **** off.
    Instead he chose to lie to them.
    We’re a nation of laws!
     
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    You are talking out of your ass again, or you are totally ignorant of the illegal unmasking and then sharing to the media of Flynn. It's an absolute 4th Amendment violation of the highest order.
     
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    Illegal was his lying to the fbi. Which he admits.
     
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    - They actually didn't think he was lying, it was Mueller who bankrupted him and blackmailed him and his family into this plea bargain

    - a disgusting setup of a decorated American general is a disgusting setup of a decorated American general. Libs approve of course.
     
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    Even the FBI said he wasn't lying. Why do you think the judged just ordered all the FBI docs immediately? It's the same Clinton judge that has only did it one other time, when he overturned the 8 felony counts against Republican Senator Stevenson from Alaska. The judge then excoriated the FBI / DOJ and had a private investigator go after 4 different top FBI officials. It's coming soon. You just don't know the history or the details, because you are not aware of all the FOIA released documents already available. You rely on Leftist Propaganda.
     
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    It's looking like the original 302 Witness Interview write ups by Strzok are missing and now replaced by new ones. There is a real discrepancy here. This has happened before and the person that did it was Andrew Weismann in regards to the Arthur Anderson fiasco that cost 40,000 people their jobs, landed 4 executives in prison where 2 died, and the Supreme Court through out the whole thing 9-0 and verbally beat the crap out of Weismann.
     
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    so a republican judge asking for secret docs... wonder if they will now leak? could be interesting.....
     
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    I am so hoping someone leaks, be nice to get a hint of what is going on
     
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    flynn pleaded guilty, he broke the law.... trying to say he did not know he wasn't supposed to lie is the lamest excuse to reverse a confession I ever heard of
     
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    I hope nobody leaks and they just post the motions in the open without redaction. But yeah, it would be nice to know what's going on.
     

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