Judge in Flynn case orders Mueller to turn over interview docs after bombshell claim of FBI pressure

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  1. bx4

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    Nice dodge. I asked for the exact words from the judge that you claim amount to an admonishment, together with a link.

    You didn't provide the quote.
     
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    It was the header in the Sun Times link.....so no dodge. Your failure to check out the link falls on you, doesn't it?


    Judge admonishes prosecutors for spending too much time on Manafort’s lifestyle. <<<<<Headline from the Chicago SunTimes. Leftist Newspaper.


    The prosecution’s focus on Manafort’s personal finances — at times laid out in painstaking detail — underscored the vast amount of documents accumulated by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team in their case against the longtime political consultant. But it also tried the patience of U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III, who repeatedly scolded the government’s attorneys for what he said was excessive and unnecessary information.

    Ellis, who warned prosecutors against using the word “oligarchs” to describe wealthy Ukrainians, several times admonished them for spending so much time documenting Manafort’s extravagant lifestyle......snip~

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/judge-admonishes-prosecutors-manaforts-lifestyle/


    Did you now want to deny the reality? Come up with some lame excuse? Is that why you dodged the link? Afraid of the truth?


    What happened.....did you and the leftness want to blame the Russians now? :laughing:
     
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    WTF? You are quoting link that refers to the Manafort trial?

    This started with Natty Bumpo saying, "The fake claim that Sullivan had admonished the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel" over their handling of Flynn had been debunked.

    You tried to salvage the fake claim by saying that a different judge, in a completely different context, in a different trial with a different defendant, had admonished some of Mueller's prosecutors. Nice spin.

    Fact remains: the original claim that Sullivan was "admonishing" Mueller was a total wet dream BS conspiracy theory by people like you.
     
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    Did you have a reading problem.....I never said Sullivan admonished Muellers prosecutors. I said challenged. Although you are welcome to provide my post saying Sullivan Admonished these Mueller Prosecutors.

    You tried to save Natty. He was the one that deflected to Sullivan. We were talking about Muellers team being admonished before. Before Sullivan demanded the 302 and notes.

    You failed!

    Oh and now he saying Sullivan requested the 302 and notes he demanded giving a Court Order and time for Mueller to comply.
     
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    Trump's hand is slowly coming together. Tho' I do wish he'd release all the damning evidence against the coup conspirators, I've long ago stopped trying to play his cards. The brilliant, teetotaling, work-a-holic President is winning!
     
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    Now that the fake meme of Sullivan "admonishing" Mueller has fizzled, if you prefer that he "demanded" additional information from the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel (who has requested leniency) and from felon Flynn's defense team before his sentencing, so be it.

     
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    Oh no.....the leftness thinks Flynn will prove Trump Russian Collusion. Haven't you heard them? Now its Russian Propaganda causing RW conspiracies.


    In a remarkable series of exchanges during the hearing, Sullivan asked whether Flynn and his legal team wanted to push off the punishment, declaring that he was not bound by advisory guidelines that called for a maximum of six months in prison. Ultimately, the judge directed both sides to file a status report by March 13.

    Flynn's attorney Robert Kelner said that Flynn may testify in the case prosecutors are making in the Eastern District of Virginia against two of his former business associates. The associates were charged in documents unsealed on Monday with a scheme to act as unregistered agents for Turkey.


    Flynn has been a model cooperator with the Justice Department, Kelner said, and if he serves as a government witness in the Turkey lobbying case, that may be "the only area where there's something left to give." "Gen. Flynn has held nothing back, nothing, in his cooperation with the special counsel's office," Kelner said.


    At another point, the judge asked prosecutor Brandon Van Grack whether Flynn's conduct might have amounted to "treason" and also suggested that Flynn may have been acting as a foreign agent during his 24 days in the Trump White House.

    Van Grack responded that Flynn's undeclared lobbying work for Turkey ended before his stint in the White House and that "the government has no reason to believe that the defendant has committed treason."

    The judge later said he was merely asking the questions, not drawing any conclusions......snip~


    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/67755...-lying-to-feds
     
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    Only you thought Muellers Team being admonished applied to Sullivan. Oh and its not if I prefer the word demanded, it was Mueller given a Court Order and time to Comply. That puts the word Demanded into the perspective of reality. That it is.

    Otherwise there wouldn't have been a continuance of the case Monday.


    TRANSCRIPT FROM FLYNN HEARING Shows Judge Confused ...

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/transcript-from-flynn...
    TRANSCRIPT FROM FLYNN HEARING Shows Judge Confused, Abusive, Careless and Unfamiliar with Facts of the Case. ... December 18, 2018. Judge Emmet Sullivan on Tuesday suggested that General Michael Flynn committed treason. ...


    Judge Emmet Sullivan Delays Sentencing of Michael Flynn ...

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/12/18/judge-emmet...
    16 hours ago · After a 30-minute recess, Sullivan corrected his statement, saying that Flynn’s work for Turkey ended in November 2016. “I felt terrible about that,” Sullivan said of his statement that Flynn was working for Turkey while in the White House.


    Judge Apologizes For Suggesting Flynn Is A Traitor, Delays ...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-18/you-sold-your-country...
    We're recessing until 12:30, at Flynn's request. Sullivan offered the recess to Flynn while he was going over the seriousness of the offense and shortly after saying he could not promise he would not sentence Flynn to jail time. ... FLYNN REJECTS JUDGE'S OFFER FOR SECOND ATTORNEY TO REVIEW PLEA ... — Tim Ryan (@tjryan93) December 18, 2018 ...
     
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    Unfortunately, while I certainly should NOT, apparently to my great chagrin, I DO!

    Definition of TREASON in the United States of America:

    No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. ... The Constitution defines treason as specific acts, namely
    1) "levying War against the United States, or
    2) in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​
    Article Three of the United States Constitution

    Definition of TREASON according to this confused slandering buffoon that you are defending:

    Elements of Treason:
    (1) knowingly and intentionally being
    (2) an unregistered agent of
    (3) a NATO ally
    (4) while not working for the U.S. government- but only if prosecutor has not charged and has recommended no jail time.

    Now the Left supports making up death penalty crimes and groundlessly slandering defendants in open Court? And after he realized his error this blithering buffoon didn't even have the decency to forthrightly apologize to the 33 year veteran and decorated war hero he had openly slandered before the world?

    What in God's name has happened to the Left? Are you so blinded with hatred that you view us subhuman eligible for whatever malice you can imagine? You guys think this vile mistreatment is like a volume knob of offense you can slowly increase as you seek the effect you desire. We approach this differently. We are on the receiving end of your blatant mistreatment showing patience and forbearance while we await reason and justice to reassert themselves, but there is a point where the switch flips and there will be no going back after that.

    This Judge should be removed from this case immediately, if not removed from the bench. His antics have no place in our system of Justice. Why, it was just last month when much of the Left was in mock fright of Kavanaugh raising his voice and exhibiting ire at weeks of slander and threats directed at him and his family and now you are defending a Federal Judge openly and with no grounds other than his own confused timeline, slandering a defendant before the world?
     
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    In contradiction to the hyper-partisan fake news meme, Judge Sullivan did not "admonish" the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel.

    Rather than accept the recommendations of leniency from the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel and from the felon's defense team, he offered the felon the opportunity for sentencing to be postponed pending the opportunity to further cooperate with Mueller's investigation, and the Flynn and his legal team agreed to that.

     
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    Only you thought the admonishing of Muellers Team came from Sullivan. This was already posted. You need to read it very slowly so that you can comprehend what is taking place with Flynn.



    In a remarkable series of exchanges during the hearing, Sullivan asked whether Flynn and his legal team wanted to push off the punishment, declaring that he was not bound by advisory guidelines that called for a maximum of six months in prison. Ultimately, the judge directed both sides to file a status report by March 13.

    Flynn's attorney Robert Kelner said that Flynn may testify in the case prosecutors are making in the Eastern District of Virginia against two of his former business associates. The associates were charged in documents unsealed on Monday with a scheme to act as unregistered agents for Turkey.

    Flynn has been a model cooperator with the Justice Department, Kelner said, and if he serves as a government witness in the Turkey lobbying case, that may be "the only area where there's something left to give." "Gen. Flynn has held nothing back, nothing, in his cooperation with the special counsel's office," Kelner said.

    At another point, the judge asked prosecutor Brandon Van Grack whether Flynn's conduct might have amounted to "treason" and also suggested that Flynn may have been acting as a foreign agent during his 24 days in the Trump White House.

    Van Grack responded that Flynn's undeclared lobbying work for Turkey ended before his stint in the White House and that "the government has no reason to believe that the defendant has committed treason."

    The judge later said he was merely asking the questions, not drawing any conclusions......snip~


    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/67755...-lying-to-feds
     
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    The Judge in his case put this total bullshit to bed immediately when he asked Michael Flynn directly, while under oath, if he had been tricked or pressured in any way,his reply was," No,your honor".Complete right wing bullshit.
     
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    Pfffffft hahahahahaha. One of these days, right?
     
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    Speculation and even conspiracy theories over the weekend arose because the judge specifically asked for that 302, which inexplicably was not submitted, I was sure it existed (Strzok testified so and its mentioned in his 302), just couldn't conceive they'd lost or misplaced it. Yes, I know the FBI has a lot of 302s, and they likely duplicate, collate and file them with all sorts of other documents in tens of thousands of files continuously accessed, updated and maintained across multiple platforms and media by a massive crew of paralegals, agents and attorneys, and that with so many people and files, this document plausibly could have been lost or misplaced, but it sure seems unusual given the people who are involved. This is an active ongoing case involving a very important person being prosecuted by Mueller himself as part of his investigation of the President, it is hard to believe they mislabeled the thing and had it in some other file. I have no evidence the document was not mislabeled, maybe Mueller's explanation is the honest truth.
     
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    Flynn sentencing hearing devolved into a fiasco

    It was a bad day all around yesterday in Judge Emmet Sullivan's courtroom. Bad for General Flynn, bad for Judge Sullivan, and bad for the prosecutors from Robert Mueller's Special Counsel's Office (SCO).

    It was not a good day for Judge Sullivan, he confused the timing of the facts presented to him and accused Flynn of working for a foreign government while employed as national security adviser, even raising the specter of treason, only to back away from that term subsequently.
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    Proceeding on this false premise is what led the judge to threaten incarceration:

    The judge's mistake on the dates of Flynn's lobbying is disturbing, as it suggests insufficient preparation, as well as recklessness about speaking in open court.

    The SCO did not emerge unscathed, either. Judge Sullivan seems skeptical about the legitimacy of the interview that led to charges of lying to the FBI. Absent a criminal investigation, there was no legitimate purpose for the FBI to interview Flynn. Judge Sullivan asked the prosecution directly what crime was suspected, and the answer drew his derision:

    Judge brings up the Logan Act - the Act"that no one has ever been prosecuted under" The Special Counsel hedges. The facts could "potentially support a violation of the Logan Act" but the gov't isn't considering it.
     
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    Amazing. Seems you truly can't differentiate between a form of government and the economic policies it pursues.

    Socialism isn't a form of government. It is an socio-economic philosophy manifest in government policy.

    And as badly as you don't want to admit it, you live in a social democratic nation that utilizes the "federal republic" form of governance.

    Germany is a federal republic but has chosen to implement many more socialist programs than America.

    Books can help.
     
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    You literally can't post without infantile name calling, can you. His master's voice indeed. Partisan hack squared. Carry on with the hysterical outbursts and name calling, it is laugh out loud funny.
     
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    And, on and on it goes. The Trumpites just had a box of C4 go off in their face and are telling everyone, "What do you mean I don't got my nose or eyeballs. I got plenty of eyeballs, just look over there." Somebody call 911.
     
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    Oh, lots of made up nonsense. The judge didn't ask for them until Monday. Sorry.
     
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    In essence Judge Sullivan was warning Flynn that he considers the EVIDENCE provided by the SC investigation worthy of hard time behind bars.

    He also did not consider the defense arguments to be valid and effectively dismissed them as being neither mitigating nor establishing prosecutorial misconduct.

    All told the offer by the judge was essentially a clear WARNING to Flynn that he had better be a forthright witness if he wants to avoid going to jail for his crimes.

    On top of all that we have now had TWO judges looking at the evidence provided by the SC investigation and BOTH accepting the evidence as sound and worthy of establishing the guilt of those charged with the crimes.

    Needless to say the BLOTUS supporters will ignore this and continue to lie about Mueller and the FBI.
     
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    All true, and it appears that the judge was particularly miffed over the felon's handlers' disinformation campaign calculated to smear the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel that shares Putin's now-exposed covert operation to the same end. As the desperation increases, the Special Counsel is increasingly targeted by the Lord's flies.

    Before long, the crackpots' ideological media entertainers may be issuing the meme to be mindlessly parroted that the previously laudable Mueller is a low-energy Muslim born in Kenya whose daddy killed JFK.
     
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