Judge rules ‘ISIS bride’ Hoda Muthana is not a US citizen

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  1. Margot2

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    If you are born on US soil, you are a US citizen.
     
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    NOPE! Hoda is not a US citizen, maybe in 80 years we'll allow her and that spawn of Isis Son of her's to come over here for a supervised visit in Handcuffs, but she's been too Radicalized by Islam to allow her to safely walk the streets of TRUE! United States Citizens. She TRIGGERS! me with her HATE America and wish to murder it's Citizens and it's my right as a US Citizen to feel safe from her
     
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    This will end up with the USSC. It’s only a matter of time.
     
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    You know these children would be stateless.
     
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    Was her son born in the US?
     
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    Missing the point that most of the "Freedom Fighters" (I guess moderate rebels is no longer in use) joined ISIS.
     
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    She was born in the US. Therefore she's a US citizen by default.
    https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14.html
     
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    Not if her father was a foreign diplomat.

    8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United ...
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    a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. (June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title III, ch. 1, …

     
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    1. 8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United ...
      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
      a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. (June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title III, ch. 1, § 301, 66 Stat. 235
    2. U.S. Code Title 8. Aliens and Nationality | FindLaw
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      This is FindLaw's hosted version of U.S. Code Title 8. Aliens and Nationality. Use this page to navigate to all sections within Title 8. Aliens and Nationality. Expand sections by using the arrow icons.

    3. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens | U.S. Code | US ...
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      8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens. and who seeks admission within 10 years of the date of such alien ’s departure or removal (or within 20 years of such date in the case of a second or subsequent removal or at any time in the case of an alien convicted of an aggravated felony) is inadmissible.

    4. 8 U.S.C. § 1406 - U.S. Code Title 8. Aliens and ... - Findlaw
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      U.S. Title 8. Aliens and Nationality 8 USCA Section 1406. Read the code on FindLaw ... 1917, and prior to February 25, 1927, are declared to be citizens of the United States as of February 25, 1927: (1) All former Danish citizens who, on January 17, 1917, resided in the Virgin Islands of ... FindLaw Codes are provided courtesy of Thomson ...

    5. Title 8, Code of Federal Regulations | USCIS
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      Nov 13, 2019 · Title 8, Code of Federal Regulations The general provisions of laws enacted by Congress are interpreted and implemented by regulations issued by various agencies. These regulations apply the law to daily situations.

    6. Chapter 3 - Children Born in the United States to ...
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      • A. Purpose
      • B. Background
      • C. Legal Authority
      • D. Eligibility Requirements
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      • The child of a foreign diplomatic officer accredited by the U.S. Department of State who is born in the United States may voluntarily register for lawful permanent residence.
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    7. the United States may voluntarily register for lawful permanent residence. [1]

      B. Background
      Foreign diplomats enjoy certain immunities under international law. The spouse and child of a diplomat generally enjoy similar immunities. Children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” [2] DHS regulations, however, have long allowed these children to choose to be considered lawful permanent residents (LPRs) from the time of birth. [3]

      Registration as a permanent resident under this provision is entirely voluntary, but it does involve an application process.

      This registration process is necessary and available only if both parents were foreign diplomats when the child was born. If one parent was an accredited diplomat, but the other was a U.S. citizen or non-citizen U.S. national, then the child was “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,” and is a citizen.

      C. Legal Authority
     
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    Not if your parents are diplomats.
     
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    Not if the father was a diplomat. Diplomats and their familes are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. As such they cannot be charged with crimes, and similarly, their children are not citizens of the U.S. even if born here.

    The 14th amendment (emphasis added)
     
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    We already covered that twice. The Children of diplomats are NOT US citizens.
     
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    I am not sure they had a choice.. It seems to me that they took their families and left Syria or were forced to join ISIS to survive.

    Nobody thinks to ask these days "What happened to the Wahhabis?"

    I mean we have so many bloody experts running around... they have failed to notice that the Wahhabis began to peter out over 20 years ago.
     
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    The "experts" called ISIS moderate....
     
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    LOLOL.. Says who?
     
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    Obama supporting terrorists for eight years and supplying ISIS, directly or indirectly certainly made for the absolute worst years in decades, possibly a century or more. That's all a pure steaming pile of Obama diplomacy. Yet you progs give him a free pass on that, and Libya, and every other place he wrecked...
     
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    That scumbag McCain supported arming terrorists. Thank goodness he never sullied the White House as a Republican. I have held that view since the very first day McCain supported terrorists, its not some Trump thing, you can check my post history on that. Odd that sort of thing must be justified these days, but here we are...
     
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    Absolute NONSENSE. Shame on you.
     
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    None of it was nonsense. You saying so doesn't make it so. Obama supplied and armed terrorists, including ISIS, directly or indirectly. That is not in dispute. Obama's action in Libya have left that place an unstable shithole, far worse than before Obama's idiotic involvement. You say nonsense, yet you are unwilling to even discuss what Obama mucked up. That simply leaves you with whining and saying things are untrue. I see you offer no proof, nothing. Save it, you aren't known for your honesty in this place, so don't bother wasting my time unless you are coming with some facts...
     
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    The US didn't get involved in Syria until late 2014.
     
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    I lived in Tripoli.. The tribes HATED Gaddafi for over 40 years.. He was NUTS.
     

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