Judge rules Trump's efforts to overturn election likely criminal

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Totally, AU...
    Irrefutable "Evidence"...
    Good enough for me...
    That settles it, case closed...
    Thx for the Verification, Your Holiness...
    Good Lookin' Out...Amen...
     
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    You have no proof of anything. You start from a lie to justify your position

    This has been the position of the right since the election:

    "The election was stolen"
    "No it wasn't"
    "Prove it wasn't"

    You make an accusation with no proof, and expect everyone to disprove the lie. The only people that do that know that are the ones that are deflecting from the lie.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    Yes I do as I have posted and the NYT and WaPo and CNN are even having to admit.

    The emails are real, the financial documents are real, the checks are real, The Big Guy is real. If you have something which proves they are fake then post it.
     
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  4. Bluesguy

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    I don't care about your conjecture about the right this is about our discussion. What do you have to refute what I have posted?
     
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  5. Bluesguy

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    You've seen it. Refute the emails and the statements of business partners and the checks the Senate Republicans just released.
     
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  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Stop being obutse.
     
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    Your premise that the Bobulinski email (10% for the big guy' ) is proof is this:

    Proof is the evidence used to either support or ascertain that something happened or that a person's statement is true.

    But that definition doesn't prove the Bobulinski email rises to that standard. Just because you say it is doesn't mean it's true.

    You said it's confirmed, corroborated. Okay, show me the confirmations and corrobation.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Of course it does, his copies of the emails corroborate those on the emails, he confirms his discussions about them. Go watch the interview he did with Fox. He also supplied the corroboration to the FBI.

    Now refute what he presented and what he has stated. What do you have? They are all evidence.
     
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    As is Hunter's former business partner publicly stating that the big guy is Joe.
     
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    Hold on. Let me put on my "shocked" face.
     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

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    I post to a lot of different threads -- would you please Supply the confirmations and corroboration thank you
     
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  12. Bluesguy

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    Stop playing dumb and demanding everyone recite the entire set of known facts to you. When you are knowledgeable enough to discuss the facts get back to me. I gave you your first path. Go watch the interview.
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    I didn't 'demand every one recite the entire set of known facts', which is a strawman.

    I asked for your evidence corroborating the '10% for the big guy' email, which, by itself, is not evidence or whatever it is, it is of no consequence without evidentiary conformation ( provide cancelled checks, contracts, etc, not another email making the same vacuous allegation). so, all you have to do is, copy and past a simple link, since I've lost track and I sure as hell am not going to take your word for it, let alone hunt for it. If you're so darned cocksure of your argument, you'll take a moment. If not, it's logical you argument is crap. Take your pick.
     
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    Stop demanding everyone demand the repeat post known facts when you can't refute the known facts. I have well cited what I have posted so stop with the crap demands over and over.
     
  15. Patricio Da Silva

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    Vacuous claims are not an argument.

    Post your proof. I'm not going to hunt go it, otherwise, dismissed. I've not seen it anywhere on this forum.

    You claim otherwise, let me see what you are talking about, because what I think you are talking about is crap, but I just might be thinking of something different; so to make sure we are debating the same thing, it is fair and reasonable to ask you to point to what the **** you are talking about.

    I don't demand, I request, quit making that false characterization.

    What i request is fair and reasonable. Post it or be dismissed.
     
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    Just a suggestion! Maybe READING them would help get you up to speed?
     
  17. Patricio Da Silva

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    I read them, but there are many threads, and so it would be courtesy to make each post self contained, not dependent on other threads or posts when referring to 'evidence'.

    I need to be certain we are thinking of the same thing, because if we are not, then we are talking past each other.

    Can you not see that? And, please abstain from making assumptions in the future, thank you.
     
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    Is this thread about emails proving Trump's guilt on the day of the so-called insurrection, or emails proving then Bidens are corrupt?

    If the latter, the emails may or may not get into evidence. It won't be decided here by us or by Jeff MasturToobin on CNN.

    Someone first has to get on the witness stand and say, "Yes, I recognize this document. It is a transcript (or screenshot) of emails taken from the hard drive of a computer that I examined."

    A second witness will be needed to testify that the laptop "was owned or controlled by Hunter Biden."

    Everyone in the chain of custody from the repair shop to the courtroom, including the store owner, Rudy G., and the New York Post, will have to testify that they forwarded it to the police with no alteration or tampering.

    And then we need, "I know that the transcripts (or screenshot) accurately reflect what was on the laptop."

    Sometimes it takes two or three witnesses to establish all this, unless it's stipulated. If the judge admits it into evidence, it's up to the jury to decide if Hunter wrote them and what they prove, if anything.

    Who is going to do all that? I suggest that Hunter's interlocutor will be interviewed and invited to testify to that effect. (Isn't he abroad?) If he will not and cannot be produced at trial, and if Hunter remains silent, it will be hard to impossible to prove ....

    They might also subpoena GMAIL or AOL admins, or whoever is the service provider, to testify that the emails were exchanged on one of Hunter's acounts.

    Even if they get into evidence, the sponsors are subject to cross examination on the genuineness of the transcripts and the authorship and meaning and intent of the emails, and other things.

    We're got a long way to go. Of course, it may be that Biden opponents don't really care if Hunter goes to jail. Will he be indicted? What was his crime? Appearances matter most in politics.
     
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    The judge was correct in his ruling and based it on precedence and the US Constitution. A former president CANNOT invoke "executive priveledge" when out of office. That person can while in office but not out of office.

    Furthermore, the judge rule that the possibilty of criminal intent with the attorney is one of the few exceptions to attorney-client privledge and the judge ruled that the content should be given to the DOJ for further analysis.

    Yes, Democracy was alive or has been alive when George Washington was around. We started with the Articles of Confederation, but realized that did not work. Then we came up with the US Constitution through the first Constitution Convention. George Washington was the first Constitutional President and all the men who were there had extensive knowledge of our past and tried to learn from the mistakes of that past.

    As for slavery, Slavery was an economic institution. It was the great question that plagued our country. In the north, blacks weren't treated much better than in the Antebellum South, not were given. Remember, the Constitition was orginally written to exclude blacks and Native Americans at the time of its writing. This was way before any political party was organized. And we took that from the British BTW between the Labour and the Torries, aka Conservative Party today in the UK.
     
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    A computer forensic analysis will take care of who owns the laptop at that time, along with how the emails were there, among other things. But that takes time and that report has not been released to the public. It won't until any charges relating to the laptop are revealec by the Grand Jury.
     
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    If you insist ;)

     
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    Fail. He hasn't given me squat.
     
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    How would you know?

    You certainly could have missed it, right ;)
     
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    You have been given the cites, you have been given the links, you refuse to be informed and even when informed you issue simple baseless dismissals and then demand everyone layout the entire history to you again. Stop being obtuse.

    Here another for you

    The Biden family scheme unravels

    ....First, there are the Treasury Department documents presented by Republican Sens. Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley, along with bank statements on Hunter’s laptop showing millions of dollars paid by CEFC to Hunter and his business partners.

    Then there is evidence, from Bobulinski and from the laptop, that Joe met Hunter’s foreign business partners on multiple occasions while he was vice president.

    In addition, there is evidence on the laptop that Hunter and his father had commingled finances and shared bank accounts, and also that Hunter paid some of Joe’s household bills, including a monthly phone bill and maintenance and renovations on one of his Delaware properties.
    https://nypost.com/2022/04/10/biden-family-scheme-unravels/

    And
    Investigating Hunter Biden
    ....Hunter’s notorious drug addiction and unstable personal life notwithstanding, the venture was backed by billions in funding from the Bank of China and other regime-tied financial institutions. It engaged in investments that appear to have cut against American interests, for example, helping Chinese firms acquire dual-use technology with military applications and, for a staggering $3.8 billion, a large Congolese cobalt mine (cobalt is essential to extending the life of electric-car batteries). And though Biden vowed that, if Americans elected him president, none of his family members would retain potentially compromising foreign business ties, Hunter maintained a 10 percent stake in the Bohai venture until late 2021.

    It’s inconceivable that Hunter never discussed this Chinese enterprise with his father. Meanwhile, there’s overwhelming evidence of Joe Biden’s involvement in other Hunter ventures with shady foreign businesses.

    Most obviously, there is Hunter’s other China investment foray, a partnership with Xi protégé Ye Jianming of the now-defunct CEFC. Hunter was enticed into this deal when Ye presented him with a roughly 3-carat diamond, after which they concocted various schemes in which CEFC would get access to the Bidens and their American influence while the Bidens would get millions of dollars.

    Tony Bobulinski, a former naval officer and successful investor, was retained to build a business structure for the partnership. In addition to several meetings with Hunter and with Joe’s brother, Jim Biden (who also has a history of cashing in on his brother’s influence), Bobulinski says he had two face-to-face meetings with Joe Biden in 2017. Biden, he reports, was deeply involved in the venture and was supposed to get a 10 percent cut from the Biden family’s take — a claim that appears to be corroborated by documents from Hunter’s laptop computer, one of which indicates that “H” (Hunter) was to hold a 10 percent stake “for the big guy.” Bobulinski says he was admonished not to mention Joe’s name except when meeting with him personally, and that Hunter told him CEFC was pushing the deal because it wanted a relationship with the Bidens.

    An especially intriguing aspect of the CEFC dealings is that Ye retained Hunter as a lawyer, for a million dollars, to try to find out why CEFC executive Patrick Ho was under investigation by the federal government. Ho, to whom Hunter referred in one laptop recording as the “f***ing spy chief of China,” appears to have been under foreign-intelligence surveillance and was eventually convicted by the Justice Department on foreign-corruption charges. After revelations about the American investigation became public, Ye was summoned back to China in 2018. He hasn’t been seen since. Once a sprawling conglomerate, CEFC was allowed to go bankrupt, but not before Hunter and Jim Biden were paid about $5 million, according to a report compiled by Senators Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) and Ron Johnson (R., Wis.).......
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022...tent=featured-content-trending&utm_term=third
     
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