Judge slams Wisconsin Republican power grab

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Jimbo11, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Jimbo11

    Jimbo11 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2015
    Messages:
    1,966
    Likes Received:
    977
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  2. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    27,756
    Likes Received:
    3,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So now passing laws pass by the legislature and signed by a governor is an "unconstitutional" power grab?

    I think that's how governments work.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2019
    Bondo, Right is the way and Dutch like this.
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,685
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know what the state constitution in Wisconsin is, but generally judges can't overrule state legislatures.

    Well, especially if that legislature has a two-thirds majority, which means that judge is going to get the boot if he's obviously opposing that legislature's will and not just delaying implementation of the law to give them time to reconsider his legal viewpoint on the matter.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2019
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  5. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So cutting voter hours didn't apply to white people also?

    That should be a crime.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How long does voting last? In Wisconsin

    Simply go to your regular polling place or early voting site to register and vote. You will need to show proof of residence and a photo ID. Contact your Local Election Office if you have any questions. By Mail: Postmarked 28 days before Election Day.Jan 13, 2018
     
  7. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Democrats don't feel minorities are smart enough to do that though.
     
    Bondo likes this.
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They may have a point. Good catch.
     
  9. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
  10. Jimbo11

    Jimbo11 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2015
    Messages:
    1,966
    Likes Received:
    977
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The GOP has tried the same thing in other states. They know power is slipping from the white-male predominated party and are trying desperately to hold on....
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2019
    Len_A and Derideo_Te like this.
  11. Observing

    Observing Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2016
    Messages:
    3,321
    Likes Received:
    910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not when the legislature met at a time that was in violation of the State's constitution. How you can hold that view after reading the article is difficult for me to understand. The state legislature is not in session, the repubs hastily call the group back in session without the Governor telling them to do so and pass lameduck legislation.
     
    Len_A and Derideo_Te like this.
  12. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,302
    Likes Received:
    14,768
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Generally they can if the activities of the legislature are unconstitutional.
     
    Len_A likes this.
  13. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yup, that happened in PA with the GOP gerrymandering of the districts.
     
    Len_A likes this.
  14. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    27,756
    Likes Received:
    3,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Crying over spilled milk. They did meet, it seems like if it wasn't lawful then why did the show up? At any rate, as the article states, it will probably be up to a conservative state supreme court.
     
  15. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2012
    Messages:
    5,716
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    In a republicans view, there is no such thing as an illegal action by the state legislature. Unless that legislature is democratic.
     
  16. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,685
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's not necessarily their place. They should give an opinion, and explain why it is not constitutional, but if they actively defy the will of the consensus in legislature even though the legislature understands the position perfectly well, they risk being removed from office.

    If judges do rule from the bench it's only because politicians don't have the courage politically to pass those laws themselves.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2019
  17. Observing

    Observing Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2016
    Messages:
    3,321
    Likes Received:
    910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This make no sense, The courts determines if a law is constitutional. It being the will of the majority has nothing to do with it. That is why there is a constitution to protect the minority from the tyranny of a majority.
     
  18. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,685
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Unless the legislature determines it. The legislature is ultimately the one in control, since they can remove judges if they're being obviously obstinate.

    Most all judges will give in to the legislature if their opinion on the matter has already been expressed and the legislature passes a resolution overturning court ruling. The only exception might be a blatant and severe Constitutional violation, but such a situation has never presented itself so far in the U.S. yet. In that case the court might make a ruling but refuse to enforce it.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2019
  19. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How have they failed to do so here?
     
  20. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,131
    Likes Received:
    32,971
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I’m not surprised that the conservatives here are not seeing the issue.

    It’s now “win” by any means necessary. They no longer even pretend to represent Americans.

    Here’s hoping Roberts does the right thing with the Republican gerrymandering case going before SCOTUS and puts an end to this once and for all.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  21. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When citizens' civil liberties are violated by such power grabs they are found unconstitutional, yes.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  22. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Which part of the OP did you not understand?
     
  23. Observing

    Observing Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2016
    Messages:
    3,321
    Likes Received:
    910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The legislature is closed by law in December and cannot convene unless an emergency session is called by the Governor. This did not happen.
     
  24. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Thanks for the straight to the point reply.

    Does anyone on the GOP side have anything in response, otherwise I am inclined to change my view.
     
  25. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    17,908
    Likes Received:
    10,396
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Muller Report release should prove to all objective Americans who is suffering from a "win" by any means necessary delusion.

    The New Democratic Party should start doing something about the TDS they have spread among their followers.
     

Share This Page