Julian Assange extradition judge refuses request for delay

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ion-judge-refuses-request-for-delay-wikileaks

It was in the Pilger going underground video below that I first got news of this. Assange has apparently lost 15 kilos. He is being held in solitary confinement not allowed to speak to any of the other prisoners, rarely gets out for the shortest walk and is not allowed material with which he could make his case or even exercise his mind. It sounds like sensory deprivation. He is apparently now in severely poor mental condition as would be expected when a person is treated like this...even worse according to Pilger he had provided wikileaks material on the husband of one of the judges. Clearly they had a conflict of interest and should not have been given/taken such a job.

What Pilger says sounds like the 19th C though he gives it credit for being like 1950. It is against the law for the UK to extradite anyone for Political reasons. Sadly this shows just how far the English Magistrates Courts have moved from Western Liberal Democracy. As Pilger himself says, it is more reminiscent of something from a show trial in one of the old Eastern Europe Countries. This bodes very poorly for future justice in England.

I have never seen Pilger so shaken.



I am well aware Trump has taken care of the judiciary in the US for the foreseeable future so that it will work as he wishes. It is looking like England is now following down that road.

In today's 1984 double speak, 'whistle blowers are the enemy of the people'. (See the Guardian link or listen to the Pilger video). Pilger still hopes Britain's Crown Court may do its job and justice may be done. He believes all is lost in the US as far as that is concerned. Does it bother people seeing that England appears to be lacking in the checks and balances of democracy?

Your thoughts?

 

Good

 

Trump supporters are under the impression that he is being protected by the actual Trump administration. They want to get him here to help connect the dots with the Global Deep State that connects the "5 eyes" (US, UK, NZ, Aust, Italy). Not surprisingly, 4/5 of these nations were "in on" the Deep State intention to built the Steel Dossier and burn Trump.

Misfvud (sp?) was the one who set up Popodolous (sp?) in Italy, the Steel Dossier was created by UK intelligence and Australian intelligence helping to spread and disseminate it. From what most can gather, New Zealand was not as directly involved but since "5 Eyes" are quite comprehensive, it is likely they helped with the information campaign.

It didn't work and Trump is not going to be removed, so they are truly in trouble.

Anyways, Trump supporters are under the impression he is being brought to the US to help "source" the Deep State and how they are connected and used to attack anyone no in their group.

Here is the last thing Assange was able to get out showing how the Global Deep State is connected.

https://i.redd.it/5zxcvsgg36u31.png

We will see what happens, but Trump supporters are INCREDIBLY "Pro Assange" for the most part, we are hoping he helps open up the Cabal for all the crimes they have committed.

 

Also for those trying to deny the Deep State exists, even Deep State orginations like the New York Times are admitting it.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...t-admits-deep-state-existsto-protect-us-trump

They are now trying to spin the story before the IG report drops, they know how much trouble they are in as they have been exposed.

The next thing they are going to try to do is push the above idea, getting everyone to believe they are "just" and "acting in the best interest of the people".

But think about it, the best interest .... AGAINST WHAT WE VOTED ON!

If you don't believe the Deep State is real, you are now just incredibly partisan or a complete idiot. There is no argugin against it now.

The only questions is, do you support America, or do you support the Global Empire they are trying to crate? Doing so is why America has been hurt so bad. Dylan Rattigan said it best before he left ... I think it was MSNBC/NCB .... that WE ARE BEING EXTRACTED. I am not sure if he understood why, but anyone intelligent in finance is seeing it happening with things like Climate Change activism and The Paris Accords that no on else is following, yet the US is actually complying the best with ....

Deals like the TPP that continued to leak out money to China, and setting up all the middle east wars to drain our tax dollars to nothing.



The Deep State's idea is that the US is too powerful, these documents were shown in Open Society leaked documents showing their goal was to get rid of borders and help "equalize" the wealth of America to the rest of the world. This was done IN CONJUNCTION with the freakin UN, yes, the UN is actively trying to harm the United States through migration, or at least they were ...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...in-supporting-current-illegal-migrant-crisis/



We will see what comes of this, but Trump has been putting out intel to his supporters that he is going to protect Assange. I sure hope so, if he does, all of what has happened so far will make sense. If he doesn't, well, then we truly are screwed.

 

Deep Staters are gonna nail this guy to the cross.

 

We'll see. It is the Trump Regime who has organised this. Obama did not as he did not expect it to do anything but show itself for what it is - an attack on Democracy and free speech, the Reappearance of the Authoritarian State and the end of Investigative Journalism.

There are some issue where Trump supporters and progressives agree - you cannot get a far right going without making a claim on some left issues and certainly when the argument began that was the situation - but that would be more those Trumpsters who put a high value on freedom and democracy. Not all are the same.

I do think though and this may go with what you were saying that it is very telling that the US Democrats are going with this. It certainly seems that the morality which would be expected from these people is only there on the few occasions the Democratic Party itself shows it - that is apart from the new voices stirring up forgotten feelings and principles.

 

OK to return to Assange. Craig Murray was also in court to see him and like others was shocked at his appearance, massive loss in weight, seems to have aged ten years and an apparent limp which certainly did not come from jogging. It does appear he is being kept in solitary confinement with sensory deprivation and that is torture.

His mental state according to Murray is even worse. He struggled to even say his name and when he was born. Murray has before witnessed people suffering from torture and believes that this is indeed the situation with Assange. He fears like many others for his life.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/22/assange-displayed-signs-of-torture-in-courtroom-farce/

I am British, not English. These courts are English (Scotland has a different justice system) I had developed a respect for English courts as they had refused to put into practice things which May had claimed were 'law' like No BDS which they said went against the right of freedom of political position which is inherent in a democracy. This seems the opposite. This just does not seem like the kind of court you would expect anywhere except what we are told it is like in North Korea. But these are lower courts, Magistrates Courts. This may be why Pilger still has hope that when this reaches the Crown Court, justice will prevail and it is against British law to extradite someone for Political Reasons which this is. Free Speech may be the American law that covers this but political freedom is the British..so it is not impossible that in the end we will find that English courts still posses checks and balances as I have witnessed before and Assange goes free - if he is still alive and able to regain his physical and mental health.

The judge could clearly see that he was not with it.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/22/assange-displayed-signs-of-torture-in-courtroom-farce/

People may know that there is already an enquiry going into the CIA spying of him with his legal team when he was in the Equator Embassy. This is against the law and ought to be enough to have the case dismissed.

Apart from that seems US participants were in charge and are trying to rush this through to go with a US timetable. See the link for more.

I am truly Gobsmacked. I cannot believe that in the 21st C Britain is treating someone in this way. I have heard that some are now starting to murmur that he is only looking so ill so that he will be deemed unfit for trial. Nothing according to those who know him could be further from the truth. He is this ill and it would appear whether they are going to act as they ought in such a situation those in charge are well aware of that.

 

Good. I hope he rot.

 

Glad to finally have an Admin willing to go get this guy!

 

In the US liberals and conservatives hate him.
He wont be treated nicely here.

 

Rubbish. Total imaginary tosh...even to the extent of including Italy in the '5 eyes' Group, I assume because you say Mifsud met Papadopoulis in Italy. Italy is not part of '5 eyes.' Insert Canada in lieu of Italy.

As for Aussie Assange. Time to pay the piper.

 

Appears he has already paid a price far greater than Manning.

 

He made it worse for himself by 'hiding' away in that London Ecuadorian Embassy believing that as time passed, all the bad guys would lose interest and he'd just walk out into the sunshine to the cheers of his idiot adulators. I can't work out which has the biggest Messiah complex, Trump or Assange. Maybe one day, they will have neighbouring cells and they can compare notes.

 

I looked through the list of things he published, I see some things could hurt national security, but it seems both sides have a strong dislike of the guy. Lefties I'm sure probably loved him until he posted the DNC emails. Some think of him as a whistle blower, some say he's just a journalist who posts dirt given to him by others. What's the view of an Aussie as to why you dislike him so much?

 

After Wikileaks (Assange) publicised the Clinton emails in 2016 during those US elections, Trump 'loved Wikileaks.' Sometime later Trump virtually said....."Wikileaks..never heard of them." I speak only for me, this one Aussie. I detest the prick, Assange. He is seriously fuqqed in the head believing not only that he is some Messiah but also that he, just he, is above the Law........because, probably, he reckons he is Jesus Christ incarnate. All I see is that he is a petty fencing grub. Mind you, if he goes down in the US for what Wikileaks did, then I cannot see why a fair chunk of the mainstream USA print schmedia does not go down with him. I guess, in the end, with me....I just cannot find one redeeming personal feature Assange has, just like me with Trump. Neither have any real human dignity.

 

I suspect he will meet with the same fate as Epstein did, and the political elite will rejoice.

 

No!
Assange strikes me as a loser that wouldn’t end his own life.
He believes he is above all and at the same time afraid to do things that might really hurt. People like that smear their poop on the walls, just like what he did when he was in Ecuadorian embassy. Killing self hurts and I don’t see him doing it.

 

The evidence that he actually did "conspire to break into a classified Pentagon computer" is very flimsy and tenuous at best. The real issue is that prosecutors are likely going to have him face other charges, which are based on an interpretation that is a violation of the freedom of the press guarantee in the Constitution.

Many supporters suspect that the hacking charge is just a thinly veiled excuse to get him extradited, whereupon he will be faced with other charges like "Espionage" that are far more politically controversial.

If I can use an analogy, it would kind of be like if a Muslim country made up trumped up charges against a U.S. citizen, accusing them of committing financial fraud through computer hacking, just to get them extradited to face a blasphemy charge because they wrote on their blog that Allah does not exist. Despite the fact they were never in that Muslim country when any alleged crime was committed.

 

My thoughts are that the treatment of Assange shows several things.

It shows how barbaric humans are, and it shows how the rule of law is utterly dead in western cultures, and it shows how much western governments, all governments, fear the truth being publicized.

This whole thing shows how prescient Orwell was.

 

As Roger Waters put it, "I'm ashamed to be an Englishman".

#MeToo, I'm ashamed to be an American with a government like this one.

 

Assange won't end up in a cell.

 

So much for the claim that western nations are civilized
So much for the Rule of Law
So much for Freedom of Speech, Information, Press - and the constitution in general.

Some posters like this .. responding "Good" ?! They are happy for our kangarooland justice system and trashing of the founding principles and the Constitution. True Patriots.

 

The extradition treaty that Blair agreed with the US means that we have to send to you whomever you ask for.

Assange is being held in Belmarsh - in his own separate apartment containing his cell and a mini gym. I am not sure why he would be denied reading and writing materials though - that is unusual.

His treatment has certainly been horrific - but where is his home land in all this?

 

We , our political class are are destroying the press and journalists , the real ones.

The republic is dead and fascism reigns in oligarchy.

No press to speak truth to power using patriots who blow the whistle on those in power over citizens.

It is a fact that all government lie to their people. Destroying publishers of leaks from whistle blowers is what corrupt people in power want. And liars never like being caught lying.

Our msm has become a part of thr oligarchy . So assange is a threat to those in power who lie to us.


We need to make an example out of him to scare the crap out of our press .

 

Trump does not control the judiciary in the UK and I doubt he personally cares much what happens to Assange.

Let's just agree Trump has nothing to do with this, other than the obvious fact that he's declined to intervene or use his pardon powers to prevent extradition (although conventionally pardons are granted after conviction).

Although his failure to act does bring to mind British Admiral John Byng. (King George II did not want to step in and stop the unjust execution)

Anyway, sad to say there are a crowd of Conservatives who demand his head, so pardoning Assange could lose Trump some political capital, even if he was inclined to do it.
I would say this is one of the examples where Conservatives are not on the side of freedom. (Though it's not all of them)