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Jullian Assange has been arrested following removal of asylum by the Ecuadorian Government

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK this has been expected and has now happened. The Ecuadorian Government apparently got reassurances he would not face torture or the death penalty.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/l...rested-at-the-ecuadorean-embassy-live-updates

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ange-arrested-at-ecuadorian-embassy-wikileaks

    Thoughts?
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/media/l...rested-at-the-ecuadorean-embassy-live-updates
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    My thoughts are that Assange will rely on 1st amendment provisions. I also think Assanges invocation of those protections should be expeditiously undertaken by the SCOTUS. Assange looks terrible after 6 yrs in recluse.
     
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    Thoughts?

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  4. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you saying that you believe he has been arrested to be sent to the US as he himself believes?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ange-arrested-at-ecuadorian-embassy-wikileaks

    The actual arrest appears to be in connection with him avoiding being arrested and sent to Sweden seven years ago on charges which he thought were false and invented to send him to the US. I believe these charges have been dropped but the UK is holding on to charging him with avoiding arrest presumably so that they can deport him to the US. English courts have sometimes been quite good. It is not impossible they will not allow this to be done.
     
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    Sweden dropped charges yrs ago. Swedish girl recanted. Assange is coming to the US.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes it appears the US is included in the arrest warrant

     
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    Which turned out not to be the case, but there was no way for him to know that at the time.

    The reasons for the charges in Sweden were more complicated, but the prosecutor there was right to drop them.

    Even though the accusation in Sweden was not intentionally fabricated, that still does not necessarily mean he wouldn't have been at increased risk of extradition to the U.S., which was the whole reason for him fleeing into the embassy in the first place.

    However, with recent developments, he would probably be no less safe from extradition in the hands of U.K. authorities than in Sweden.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Personally, Assange is a bastard for me! As far as his political and journalistic activities are concerned, what he is doing, it is right and good what he did.

    So ... if he was arrested now, because he allegedly or indeed should have raped a woman in Sweden and therefore has to go to court ... then I do not care and 1 x Shrugs. A matter of Swedish justice ...
    But if he was arrested to be handed over to the US and brought to justice there for making these publications of the secret documents, etc., then the US is as bad and evil as the USSR under Stalin!

    If I already here and there read some US comments that he should come to court for treason, then I puke over the US stupidity!
    How can an Australian citizen make American treason in the US?
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It looks like it is that....and to be frank you would need to include the UK Gov in your criticisms...but English courts? not so sure.
     
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    It's part of the increasing trend of criminalizing information, and doing it on a global scale.

    There have been several cases in the past that have set disturbing precedents.
    (I've made many threads about them in the Law & Justice section)
     
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    Didn't he expose agents and got them killed.
     
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    I don't believe that's been proved.

    In any case, I think you may be mixing him up with Snowden.

    Practically all Assange did is run a website, and publish classified documents there that were sent to him by someone else. (And let's keep in mind he's an Australian citizen and was not in the U.S.)
     
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    Only a claim to discredit and criminalize him! Until now not a single proof was delivered for this.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is what barrister Geoffrey Robertson one of Assange's lawyers has to say about it

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ecuadorian-government.554017/#post-1070440520
     
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    I'm tired of addressing this stupidity.

    He was charged with "rape" (for lack of better translation) under the law, but what he was alleged to have actually done was not rape.

    The confusion is due to the crazy feminist laws in Sweden.

    His real alleged crime was slipping off his condom without telling the woman.

    That is rape in Sweden.

    He has now been arrested in the U.K. for having been alleged (years ago!) to have slipped off a condom.

    Put that in perspective.

    (Not only that but the prosecutor in Sweden later came to the conclusion that the woman might have been lying about it because she was resentful, which was the main reason the charges were later dropped)
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Peter Tatchell
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/l...rested-at-the-ecuadorean-embassy-live-updates

    I get the feeling this is not going to be a walk over.
     
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    I'm still careful ... if it's delivered to Sweden, then I have no problem with that.
    But if he sits in an airplane that flies across the Atlantic, then I have a huge problem with it and the US government, the judiciary and everyone who has a good name has lost all credibility!

    He is not a US citizen, did not commit these "acts" in US territory, which is why the US is pissed off, he does not stick to a single US law because it's irrelevant ... and as a non-American, he can not be a treason as / by US law is committed ... yes, he can not even be charged with espionage by US law.

    It would be different with Edward Snowden ... purely legal, not by moral.
     
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    Man ... is it valid law in Sweden, yes or no? Yes ...
    If this law is silly or not, does not matter! Law is law - point!

    If it this about ... it is a case for the Swedish Jusitice and nothing else in Sweden!

    There are many silly laws around the world in many countries. You rate them as silly and bad, your right ... but if you are in this country, you have to follow this law without any question, otherwise don't travel to this country!
     
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    Perhaps, but many people were saying they didn't care in the least what happened to Assange because "he is a rapist".
    Just trying to clear that ignorance up.

    It also goes to show that being extradited to face an alleged crime in one country, however small and flimsy, can open up the risk of extradition to another country.
    Even a foreign country you might have never set foot in before.
     
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    It's aquestion the SCOTUS has to answer. How far do 1st amendment protection in re: media, the 4th estate. Is Assange a blogger? Is Wiki a news oulet? Does that matter, and who decides on the 1st two questions? Seems like a no brainer ... but. Assange has powerful enemies.
     
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    He seems like the modern day Philip Nolan.
     
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    There is no question of him being arrested because of the rape issue. The only real grounds they had for arresting him was because he broke bail on a case which was later dropped. For that he has spent 7 years in hiding. On top of that the UK is including the US desire to extradite him. Sweden is going to say something about the rape issue this afternoon but that had nothing to do with his arrest this morning, that was going against bail conditions and wanted by the US for extradition.

    ok Sweden's prosecutor has made a statement

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/l...rested-at-the-ecuadorean-embassy-live-updates
     
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