Just contacted the ATF about "Moonshiners" episode

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  1. TheDonald

    TheDonald Well-Known Member

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    LOL so in your mind distilleries producing whiskey have fuel permits like Exxon does.................

    Sheesh, u studied at Harvard right
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how do you feel about your taxes paying for schooling for illegal Irish and Polish immigrants?
     
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    Does ExxonMobil produce ethanol based fuel or petroleum based?

    Anyway. Individuals can get a fuel alcohol permit from the federal government. Doing so does not necessarily make it legal to produce moonshine under federal law. But since there is essentially no difference between the two types of spirit when used for personal purposes there is no way they can make a case against you unless you are transporting or selling it. So once you get that permit all you need to do is follow your state's laws to produce it legally.

    If someone is so inclined they can instead get a Distilled Spirits Permit. Since it is legal to own a still of any size for legal purposes the federal government does not inspect your equipment after receiving either permit listed above unless you state that your are a distillery and are making it for sale. Past court decisions have said that simply saying that you are a collector, or you own said still for decoration there is no reason for it to be inspected.

    The big difference between the two permits is having a DSP means you are responsible for paying the tax on every gallon you produce where as "fuel" produced for use on your property is not taxable. So most folks that do get permits end up getting the AFP so they don't have to worry about the taxes.

    No I am not a college educated man. Just a guy that has been in this hobby for a couple decades and has been a part of a movement to have it made just as legal as making beer or wine.
     
  4. TheDonald

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    Exxon most certainly does produce ethanol...................

    https://www.exxon.com/en/ethanol

    Next doofus
     
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    Reading comprehension is important man. They do not distill ethanol. Secondary companies produce the ethanol and then the oil refineries and what not purchase it and blend it into their petroleum products.

    But anyway. Even if Exxon did own ethanol plants, that does not make what I've said about the private production of distilled spirits incorrect.

    I do have to correct myself a little though. Apparently simply obtaining a Distilled Spirits Permit does require periodic inspections of your equipment. It didn't used to.

    But anyway. Please continue with your uninformed opinions and pathetic insults.
     
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    Its television. You also must believe everything you read or see on the internet is the truth.

    Remember how NBC put a bomb on a Pickup to prove the gas tank was a hazard???
     
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    What is the cheapest way to get a still set up without needing to solder copper pipe? This is definitely a hobby that I could get into.
     
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    Buy one from a builder. They sell them all over the Internet.

    Soldering copper is easy enough to learn that if you're trying to do it on a budget. It'll be much cheaper. Just make sure that you get good copper. The stuff from China tenda to have lead in it.
     
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    Give up silly, you mock yourself with every ignorant word, Exxon most certainly does produce ethanol, see they are not an oil company, but an energy company and they are looking to a greener future.

    Now give up, you are proving how ignorant drinking moonshine is
     
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    C-D-P Well-Known Member

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    Is this really how you debate? Kinda pathetic. Nothing you have said proves false anything I've said about the legality or safety concerns in this thread. If anything it labels you as a troll.
     
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    You have not made even one small correct statement, including the mistakes above. Or are you really going to label drinking methanol as safe?

    LOL, only losers drink, make or live with a moonshiner
     
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    Troll it is then.
     
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    You have not made even one small correct statement, including the mistakes above. Or are you really going to label drinking methanol as safe?

    LOL, only losers drink, make or live with a moonshiner
     
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    Keep on trolling.
     
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    Keep on telling people that moonshine which contains methanol is safe to drink................
     
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    All alcoholic beverages that come from mashes that contain pectin have methanol. You like orange juice? It has methanol in it.

    Keep on trolling.
     
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    Ethanol, not methanol. Methanol are in the heads which are taken off separately and not used.
     
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    It has been explained adnasume that there is some amount of methanol that comes out throughout the entire run. This is because ethanol and methanol do bond together. It has also been explained a lot that distillers (both professional and hobbiests) will mix fractions to achieve different flavors. This includes using some amount of heads and tails to varying degrees depending on what they want for flavor.

    Here is a very basic guide for making cuts and fractions with a pot still.

    http://learntomoonshine.com/a-how-to-guide-to-cuts-and-fractions-pot-still-run
     
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    Wrong, the tails are where the additional flavor is added. The heads are poison so are not used. The remaining tails are used in the next run to extract any remaining ethanol.
     
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    Son. I've been making my own whiskeys, whiskys, rums and neutrals for better than twenty years. I make stills on the side of my other full time jobs as well. I know a thing or two about this subject.

    Maybe you are thinking of foreshots. Primarrially acetone with a little bit of methanol and some other stuff.
     
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    Heads, foreshots, different name for the same thing. Tails, feints, different name for the same thing. Ethanol is in the hearts. Flavor is from the congeners in the tails so taking hearts late you avoid the dangerous congeners in the heads and taking some of the tails gives more flavor.

    Ethanol is also a poison, just a very slow acting one giving you the ability to use it without killing yourself normally.
     
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    Again, no one can be assured that the criminal who has one tooth does not sell the methanol with the rest. You have far too much faith in unwashed fools who hide in the woods. Moonshine has killed or blinded people
     
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    Can you document people going to prison for possession of orange juice. Lol what ya maroon
     
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    I don't like people like you.
     
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    Heads and foreshots are two very different things. Foreshots contain low volatiles heads are mostly ethanol with methanol. Say that you're running a 5 gal pot still with any of your typical grain mashes you can look to get 8 to 10 oz of foreshots and a quart or so of heads. But with that simple setup the division between foreshots and heads is not very clean. Add a doubler and the division will be cleaner. Move up to a simple colum like a boka and it becomes cleaner yet. Feints are everything you have after a stripping run. Be it heads mixed with hearts and tails that you combine with other stripping runs for a hearts run or heads mixed with tails. Those are feints.

    Here is a visual for ya.
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    It's a good idea to actually know what you're talking about before you tell someone they're wrong. Please actually educate yourself.

    Donald. Making your own distilled spirits is only illegal because of taxes. Not because of safety.
     
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