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  1. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Welcome Torus.
    I don't believe in star signs myself...
    but that's just my Leo cynicism.
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    Wow! Thanks for that song. I don't think I've ever heard it before, but I had to read it several times. It has that rhythm and flow that is so awesome. I linked a copy of the lyrics and will study it more later. When I'm sitting on my porch in my rocker, watching...

    I do hope you keep up the writing. Good for the brain. I don't do much of it anymore.
     
  3. Torus34

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    Hi, Montegriffo!

    Cute post!

    Sun signs, along with birthday gemstones and state flowers, are human constructs, often with an economic component. A retired scientist, I set no store by them but do find them interesting. The history of astrology in particular is a good Sunday afternoon pursuit. The interweaving of astrology and astronomy shows up not only in the names of the constellations but also in the lives of some of the famous early astronomers.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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  4. Torus34

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    A final 'Hi!'

    Words can be set to music in many ways. Eric Whitacre has done so with a number of verses/writings. His choral work has his 'voice' stamped on it. A good introduction is this: Sleep - YouTube Music

    Note the pedal note starting at 1:40. Then, at 3:40, a deep sense of an Amen. If Whitacre gets to you, try next the same group and A Boy And A Girl. After that, there's more.

    Regards. j
     
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    Question
    Have YOU Ever Supported Any Part Of :flagcanada: ?

    evidence inclusive of John Candy, Lorne Greene, Monty Hall, Doug Henning, Margot Kidder, Eugene Levy, Rich Little, Howie Mandel, Lorne Michaels, Anne Murray, Leslie Nielsen, Morley Safer, William Shatner, Martin Short, Alan Thicke & Dave Thomas

    Speak clearly into the microphone, please


    Moi :oldman:
    Welcome
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    Beware!
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    @Moi621

    Hi!

    I've been to Canada many times. While there I've spent money. To that extent, I have supported Canada in the past.

    As far as the video goes, I do not click on them, so I cannot comment upon the one you posted.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :razz: ~ We are fortunate this place has a sense of humor ... :blownose: :blowkiss:
     
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    Nice introduction.
    I'm an Italian net sailor with a lot of interests.
    I do agree about the usage of English [I could use German or French or Italian, but I doubt I would be appreciated on this forum!].

    This said ... welcome on board!
    I think you will enjoy your stay here.
     
  9. Torus34

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    Hi, AlpinLuke!

    As I read your post, I remembered my grandmother telling me; 'Whenever you run into someone who speaks with an accent, be humble. That person speaks at least two languages. You only speak one.'

    Thank you for the welcome.

    Regards, best wishes to you and yours.
     
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    Since prose rhythm is your topic, I just thought that I would pass along something I once read. The writer maintained that one of his favorite books was James Joyce's Ulysses (which I have not read). But, he insisted, that what made it so entertaining, was reading it aloud. He & his wife were fond of doing this, taking turns in the recitations, while the other laughed themself silly. For whatever it's worth.

    Of course, everyone has their own style. I could not get through Finnegan's Wake, so if Ulysses is even remotely akin to that, I doubt I would appreciate the appeal. Not that I don't like modern literary opera, as a class: Gravity's Rainbow was a masterpiece, for example, despite all its erroneous punctuation. Pynchon's Mason & Dixon was also quite good, especially the section that begins asking, "When Britannia sleeps, does she dream? Is America her dream" in which all the fantastic notions, which no longer could find any place, in the well- ordered, British Homeland, could still manifest among all the uncertainties, which still existed in the vast forests of the American continent (or words to that effect)?

    For an enjoyable read of a very different character, simple in language but compelling in the inner resonance it creates, I suggest the Western World's classic ballad, Tristan & Iseult, translated by Joseph Bedier. This, for those who are not familiar with it-- though I assume that both of you are-- was a story that was created by all the travelling, Medieval Troubadours, around a basic tale, which became elaborated by every practitioner, with each using whichever embellishments they liked of another's version-- something of an historical improvisation session (since Adfundum, you called yourself a Jazz fan). Anyway, it is the story that never gets old. Variations on tragic love. Bedier did a fine job of editing together the version he presents, to the modern audience; I highly recommend it.
     
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    Thanks. My Great-grandmother was German, so I tend to think that to know more than one language is natural.
    But obviously reality is different.

    Enjoy your stay here ... and be ready for some tough political debates.:cool:
     
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    I do like James Joyce, but some of his stuff can be hard to get through. The "stream of consciousness" writing was supposed to represent the flow of his thoughts, and that can be distracting for those who look for the standard linear progression of a story line. Plus, the allusions suggested by something a simple as a title or the character names adds a layer of complexity that includes the parallel between the old myths and the (then) present day. He also uses modernism at a time when that style was new and considered low-class and crude. "Dubliners" is a good intro to his writing, but don't expect a page-turner with a linear plot or some romanticized drama. And I do like the idea of reading stuff like his out loud. You can create rhythms in good writing, and once you get into a rhythm, it just seems to change the whole experience.

    I don't know if I've read the Bedier translation of Tristan and Iseult. I did use one version in class to examine the changes in English language over the centuries. It sounded much like Chaucer's style. If that Bedier version was "jazzier," I think I'd probably like it. The story itself is pretty flat in that it's a standard romantic storyline that uses class loyalty and honor to create the tension in the conflict. You can change the characters, the settings, specific events, etc., but you still end up telling the same story over and over. My nose is not in the air. I've got a lot of those standard romance/dramas on my shelf, but I do prefer the ones that I have to unwrap, layer by layer.

    Side note--I was drawn into the the idea of rhythm in language when I read Dharma Bums years ago. But over time, Kerouac started sounding pretentious. He tried too hard to create something that sounds so much better when it's not overdone.
     
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    The Bedier version doesn't sound like Chaucer, to me. It is, of course, a folk tale, so is fairly plain spoken, but with a lyrical grace. Though the themes are on the surface, I wouldn't describe it as "flat," any more than I would use that term towards mythology, in general. The story has been called the Western Epic, much as the Ramayana is the Eastern Epic. At that story's heart, it is something of a Good versus Evil story, culminating in a great battle; nothing all that "layered," there, and yet there are millions who treat that Epic as a religious text, as a guide for living their lives. This cannot help but make me think of the Bible, many parts of which, particularly in the Old Testament, read quite flatly, and yet any poll of English teachers I have seen, has rated the Bible as the greatest literature ever written.

    As with the Tristan Epic, there are numerous versions of the Hindu Ramayana, in various languages, though the most famous, I think, is by Valmiki. It is written all in verse, is a huge work, filling numerous volumes, and is considered to have been divinely inspired. There are yearly festivals where people gather to hear this recited, by those who have learned it, which run straight through, day and night.

    Tristan & Iseult is much more modest, in comparison. It though, too, has its different versions, like the German Tristram & Isolde. They probably each have their distinct characters. I think the Bedier is closer to a French version. It also seems to have the strength of a myth, at its core. But it does not stand aloof, from the audience, and gives the main characters their own personality, with whom it is not difficult to feel familiar. It is true that it deals with some basic principles, such as commitment, honesty, honor, obligation, friendship, passion, and love. But are these not potent enough themes to be used over & again, even in today's literature? Itself, seems a reincarnation, of the story of Lancelot, Guinevere, & King Arthur, though for people in the following millennium. It is not the typical type of thing I read, but this story, I feel, has a special charm, and way of speaking and relating to, we heirs of the Western perspective.
     
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    The closest we ever came to being united, since Pearl Harbor, I suppose, was just after 9-11. And it was very short-lived.

    I think our values are too disparate to ever come together nationally, no matter who is elected to national offices.

    Enjoy your stay, Torus34.
     
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    Jackie Brown movie
    sez it better. eh



    GLOBALISM destroyed us!


    SUPPORT NATIONALISM.


    Moi :oldman:


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    LOL.
     
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    Wow! Makes me want to go out and compare the different versions. When I said stories could be flat, I was talking about the lack of complexity in the plot. Flat stories follow the five stages of plot development rather strictly and are predictable, but that doesn't mean they aren't good stories.

    Anyway, I agree that those themes are used over and over, and that they are potent. Even the Bible stories are knock-offs of old stories, but the themes and morals expressed are relevant. How many of those old Greek myths have not been repurposed in some form? Is Frankenstein not a version of the myth of Prometheus? I honestly doubt there is any story out there that hasn't been told before in one way or another. If the story is a retelling of an old story and doesn't disguise the plot and themes, the story can get a bit tedious. A bit like watching different versions of the same movie.

    Blending several of those themes into one novel helps because it doesn't simply repaint the story in another color. Using the language and elements of the story can present us with stories that aren't so predictable. Combining story lines into one. Adding complexity. Playing with the language to create moods and rhythms. Taking unexpected turns and leading readers to hope, then smashing those hopes. It's just part of the complexity and layering that grows from a short myth into a novel.
     
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