Kadyrov Warns Russia's Enemies: Do Not Make Hitler's Mistake

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right now there is a massive build up by Nato along Russia's border, which is very reminiscent of Hitler's Operation Barbarossa. This makes Kadyrov's warning timely. Hitler believed he would be at Red Square in three months, instead it was Berlin that fell.

    Kadyrov said if Hitler spoke Russian and knew Russian history, he would never had taken the road that led to failure for France, Poland, Sweden and others.

    In contrast, we Americans know our history - or at least the psychopaths in Washington do. Wasn't it Europe's destruction that pulled us out of the depression and gave us an unprecedented prosperity, so why not again?



    Chechen Republic chief Ramzan Kadyrov has drawn attention to foreign nations not to repeat the mistake of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler and avoid antagonizing Russia without learning from the history of failed attempts to conquer it.

    “Hitler knew nothing about our history, but modern politicians who like to express threats against our country should study the chronicles of past ages so they do not repeat the mistakes of their own ancestors,” added Kadyrov.

    Kadyrov released the warning on his Telegram on Friday when Russia celebrated Memorial Day and Mourning – the anniversary of Nazi Germany’s attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, which ushered in the Great Patriotic War – as the Russians call its country’s entry into World War II.


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    Jeanette, do you work out of the Saint Petersburg troll farm or are you one of those in Moscow?
     
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    Hitler would have been in Moscow in no time had he not altered the plan.

    Russia was beaten.
     
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    what u mean, "we"?
     
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    Why do you feel that only Russians know what's going on in the world? I mean we're not all stupid here. There are some perfectly respectable sites one can go on, like RT, Sputnik, The Duran, Fortruss, Consortiumnews, Paul Craig Roberts, Moon of Alabama, Ron Paul etc.

    Why even someone like you would know if you pulled your mind out of the tabloids. Try it!



    But - But
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    Tabloids Are Me!
     
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    lol...tovarische even you don't believe your horseshit :toilet:
     
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    Who are Russia's enemies?
     
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    I thought you were Greek.

    Anyway, there is no reason for anyone to attack Russia as Russia in no threat to anyone. The "red scare" has been gone for decades and today's Russia can barely manage their state.
    Well, if someone is planning to attack Russia and plunder/partition it, that is another story.
     
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    I'm all for peace with Russia, but Stalin's USSR was not a gentle giant. The greatest injustice of the 20th century was the betrayal of Eastern Europe by the US and UK. Many hundreds of thousands of brave Poles and Czechs fought while their wives and brothers were slaughtered by a brutal Nazi regime, the UK declared war supposedly to defend Polish sovereignty, then promptly sold them out to Hitler-lite in Stalin.

    Most of my international relations theory is based on a single axiom: a people within a distinct region have a right to local autonomy. If the people of Crimea want to be in the Russian Federation, then so be it. But equally, in the 50s if the Hungarian people want out of the USSR, so be it.
     
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    I expect the West's arms manufacturers are really going through hard times right now, so I guess this is their way of staving off bankruptcy. I'll predict that before the end of the world cup there will be some kind of serious incident which Russia will be blamed for. What is sort of amusing, though, is that the West, in the arrogant complacency of its combined strength - think 'bullies ganging up on one kid in the school yard'? - believes any hostilities will be a pushover. As to that, the Russian aphorism sums it up succinctly - A Russian takes a long time to harness a horse, but then rides fast. Hold that thought, you NATO desk-warriors?
     
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    Kadyrov seems to be the guy who holds Russia by its balls. I’d love to see Pootin shot in the head. I do, however have a fear that that guy will take over. And if that happens - I really feel sorry for ordinary Russians. Kadyrov had a stadium full of troops pledging allegiance to him personally, not Pootin, not Russia, and not even Chechnya. If that happens the US should just nuke the whole country - there will be no hope left for avoiding WWIII. Just bomb it and kill every living thing in it - that will be a true merciful death for those people compared to what’s they’d have to go through if this guy runs it.
     
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    You haven't quite got that right - it's Poo'n, with the glottal stop 't'?? No need to thank me. :thumbsup: :mrgreen:
     
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    What if's don't change history. The Nazis lost the battle for Stalingrad and Germany's top generals understood this meant that Germany was de facto finished - even though the war continued for another 2 years, Germany was thereafter on the defensive.

    I knew someone who was in the room with Churchill's closest confidant, Anthony Eden (he later became British Prime Minister) when a note was passed to him announcing that Hitler had just invaded Russia (Barbarossa). Eden was exultant and slapped his thighs in joy proclaiming "we've just won the war".
     
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    I assume you are referring to Allen Dulles' Operation Splinter Factor, as well as his support for the disastrous Hungarian Uprising?

    Dulles was a vile man as witnessed by his pro-Nazi manipulations, both pre and post WWII.
     
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    The ones who have men and missiles lined up against Russia's borders.

    To answer your question, I am an American born and bred; schools, lived in different areas, etc., etc. - which means I am culturally an American. My parents were born in Greece and I have maintained contacts, which makes me knowledgeable about how they think, act, feel, etc.

    As for Russia, every move they made politically, economically and militarily has been a response to Washington's actions. In order to remain within international law, Russia never responded in a way that went beyond those of Washington. Right now there is an enormous build up of forces along the Russian border in Europe, so again Russia is responding accordingly.

    I don't know how true this is, but I once read that the first bit of advice in General Montgomery's military book is: "Never attack Russia."

    How convenient for you, the video with a stadium full of men pledging allegiance and ready to fight for mother Russia and Vladimir Putin has been removed by Youtube - so you feel free now to spread your lies. Not that it matters what Americans think anyway. What matters is what Chechnyans think, and they are now enlisting in the Russian army. Since they are Sunnis, they are used as guards in areas in Syria where Sunnis predominate.


     
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    FACT: Czar Nicholas II was not Russian, but actually 3/4 German.

    I wonder if Putin is the same?
     
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    Putin looked Slavic before he had those fill ins under his eyes. Now he looks more Mongolian. They say the name Putin might be derived from Putanin, and that his grandfather came from an area where illegitimate children's last names was shortened. If it is from Putanin, then he is related to quite a few royals in Europe so who knows?

    As for the Tsars, they were even raised in Prussia. Catherine the Great who was German, was chosen by the Prussian emperor to be the Tsarvich's bride.
     
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    The sites I mentioned are the only ones I go on to except for a Greek one - but rarely since the news is very depressing. Sometimes I will watch Israelinews live, even though I'm not into Biblical prophecy, but he is honest, and knows everything going on in the Middle East without the usual cover ups and spins.
     
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    You are posting what is required of you by your bosses at the Internet Research Agency troll farm where you are employed.
     
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    And you are in a room with several others employed by the Koch Bros. The thing is you are required to do this part time apart from your real job at illegal stock market manipulations

    If Jeanette is a Russian Troll she's an invaluable resource, a conduit for us right into the deepest depths of Putin's policies. We should call MSNBC and Fox to have stringers sign up as members here, the contributions problem is over.

    There was this lady on here who was quite convinced I was European because no American is against Trump, or even liberal for that matter.

    Jeanette (if she is Jeanette and not John, this is the Internet after all) is a Russian (I think) who wants to tell the Russian side as she understands it. If she's working from a troll farm she's not doing a good job at all. Her posts, (which I don't agree with much) are consistently readable, sometimes interesting, usually civil and even insightful on occasion. Hell, I don't do that good. She's no troll.
     
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    No, she's paid to do this by a Russian troll farm. She is in fact a Russian herself. What she does here is very revealing into the dysfunctional nature of the average Russian mind so long lied to and deceived on every level that deceiving oneself about the true nature of the world is a cold comfort but at least its something.
     
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    What ifs do count because it shows us who actually had the power.

    Minus a few mistakes, the Nazi's would have steamrolled Russia at that time.

    Stalingrad had no strategic purpose and tied up the 6th army. Hitler's generals even told him to bypass it but it was a pissing contest between Hitler and Stalin.

    Hitler had Britain beat also until he quit bombing strategic targets and went after civilian targets and letting 300,000 soldiers go at Dunkirk obviously hurt him.

    Like I said, a few things done differently and all of Europe would be Nazi today.
     
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    You wouldn't Jeanette. Only I was present during the conversation where this was reported to me by one of those in the room with Anthony Eden when the news came though. It was evident that Churchill and the British had somehow been trying to manipulate Hitler to turn towards Russia and away from invading in England. The secret operation that took place in Shingle Street, Suffolk, in 1940 appears to have deterred Hitler from the invasion itself, as the probe / dress rehearsal was catastrophic for the Nazis (HERE).

    At least that was the clear impression given to me during the conversation - Eden has been praying and hoping Hitler would proceed with Barbarossa.

    My guess is that Montgomery had studied Napoleon's dismal failure to invade Russia and had drawn the necessary conclusions.
     
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    Sorry, but your argument is illogical. Nazi Germany didn't steamroller Russia. It got beaten there. History is intact.

    I think it was more than just a pissing contest. I am not war historian but a little reading reveals your analysis to be indulgent.

    Hitler wanted the oil of the Caucuses and needed to capture Stalingrad to take and hold this oil region, otherwise Stalingrad would've threatened German lines of communication and the flank of the Army Group. Besides that Hitler wanted control of the Volga river which was used to ship most of the oil supplies to the rest of Russia. Ergo, cutting off Russia from its major oil supplies was a strategic component of waging war against Stalin.

    Hitler's mistake, from the point of view of his generals, was that he split the Southern Army Group into two forces, A & B, whereas the generals wanted a combined Southern Army Group to attack and take Stalingrad.

    As I understand it anyway.

    Hitler had Britain beat also until he quit bombing strategic targets and went after civilian targets and letting 300,000 soldiers go at Dunkirk obviously hurt him.

    Like I said, a few things done differently and all of Europe would be Nazi today.[/QUOTE]

    But you're ignoring the subtlety and heartlessness of the British in regard to Hiitler's bombing campaign. Churchill knew the score as you've outlined it, and responded by bombing Berlin - which Hitler proclaimed could never be bombed. This act sent Hitler in to paroxysms of fury and retaliation. Consequently, Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe to switch from strategic targets to bomb British cities.

    In war you don't just fight the military but you try foist false intelligence on them to so as to undermine the leadership to. The British have been excellent exponents of these "black arts" as they were called, throughout the period of their empire.
     

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