Kamela Harris is Not Eligible to Become President

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  1. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO You are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG......

    Kamalka Harris was born in the US therefore it does not matter if her mother was born in Kapustastan or Mars. I am Right right RIGHT RIGHT
     
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    So, the GOPs crying about anchor babies has been a lie all along.
     
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    There *were* requirements, and they were only for those born *outside* the US. Obama was born in the US. This is a fake argument.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    You are RIGHT,
    You must be confusing the law in Russia or done other Schiesthole country with the law in the US.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    From Law of Nations,
    The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
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    in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.


    This was the definition of natural born citizen the framers of the Constitution knew, regardless of whether we choose to play fast and loose with the founding documents.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    As of the 14th Amendment, the citizenship of your parents does not matter. If you are born here, you are a citizen. If you are naturalized here, you are citizen. You can still be a citizen if you were born overseas if one of your parents is a citizen. Sorry, but that's how it works.
     
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    Already debunked a couple of times now. This is nonsense.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okey Dokey it's high time you take a nap.You are being an Internet
    pest and a bully.Flagrantly denying what other Posters establish as
    fact.That happened to be the entire approach of the Birther Movement.
    To Deny any Facts form those who seek proof as to Obama's Lineage.
    Every time a Fact became Known ... the Birthers moved in and said
    it was a LIE.That is basically how Obama micromanaged his Regime for
    8 years.
    The first Birthers were those insisting that John McCain was not eligible
    to be president as a " Natural-born citizen ". That would be Democrat Operatives
    and dedicated Obama supporters.
    To be a Natural-born citizen simply means born on American soil.
    Or if the Birth is due to parents being outside the United States,say
    on Holiday or travel then both parents need be of U.S. Citizenship.
    Or derived through birth to citizen parents.
    Native-born means regarding the place of birth.Not the citizen
    status of the parents.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not so fast.Native-born merely means being born in the
    U.S. However Natural-Born means being born on American soil to
    Parents who are citizens of America.
    That is why them Birthers demanded that the use of
    Natural-Born not be used.Instead Native-Born.
    Because they Cheat.It's part & parcel of how Democrats operate.
     
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    Should I type more slowly? She can be a citizen without being a natural born citizen per Article II Section 1. If her parents were both citizens at the time of her birth, she is a natural born citizen. If not, she is a citizen and not eligible.
     
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    Article II does not stipulate that BOTH of her parents must be citizens at the time of her birth. There are only two kinds of citizens in the US: naturalized and born. She was born a citizen. Your attempts to create new categories has already been rejected by the courts and does not mesh with the Constitution.

    Your argument requires that we ignore the 14th Amendment. Please read it. It isn't long.
     
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    George Washington's library book returned 221 yrs late
    NEW YORK (Reuters) - A library book borrowed by the first U.S. president, George Washington, has been returned to a New York City’s oldest library, 221 years late.

    Washington checked out the book from the New York Society Library at a time when the library shared a building with the federal government in lower Manhattan.

    The library said in a statement that its borrowing records, or charging ledger, showed Washington took out “The Law of Nations” by Emer de Vattel on October 5, 1789.
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-library-washington-idUSTRE64J4EG20100520

    Law of Nations, 1758 law book defines "natural born citizen"Legal scholars and studiers of the founding of our country and the framers of our Constitution reference this book as a core, contemporaneously written legal reference book

    The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
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    in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.


    http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/goatsledge/20081212 Law of Nations.pdf

    From the for what it's worth department
     
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    Point is, if he had been Black, the Birthers would have been all over him like a rash.
     
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    You are trying to claim that this book is US legal doctrine. It isn't. Never has been. And it is contradicted by the 14th Amendment. This book, so far as I can tell, has only been cited twice by the Supreme Court, once during Dredd Scott (not a good look) and once later when its definition was expressly rejected by the court.
     
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    The answer would be, "NO." Harris' mother was a legal immigrant but not a citizen, therefore Kamala is not a natural born citizen.
     
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    Based on your armchair interpretation of what "natural born citizen" means, one which has no bearing on US law and is in no way a reflection of it.
     
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    The birth mother was the determining factor for every single salve that was born into slavery under Common Law. Mother a citizen = child a citizen. Mother a slave = child a slave. Mother a foreigner = child a foreigner.

    In the French system, the paternal acceptance of a child was the determining factor of being either slave or free.
     
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    in the American system, someone born legally in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen.

    get used to it.
     
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    Mothers don't determine citizenship status alone in the US. Parentage matters (regardless of which parent) and/or place of birth matters. The statement that "Mother a foreigner = child a foreigner" is not a reflection of US law. It is your own invention.
     
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    We are talking about the legal definition of, "natural born," in 1789 when the Constitution was written.

    The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens..."

    Again, you could only be natural born citizen if you were the biological offspring a mother who was a US citizen.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope... Illegals and foreigners, who are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, have no rights to claim citizenship... Civics 101
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They sure did in 1789.
     
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    According to one non-US source. And it isn't 1789 anymore.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Supreme Court Justice Peter Vivian Daniel: "natural born citizen as every person born of citizen parents within the United States." In 1857, in a concurring opinion in Dred Scott v. Sandford, he quoted an English-language translation of Emerich de Vattel's 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (Le Droit des gens), stating that "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens"

    Sorry, but it is part of a Supreme Court affirmative action.
     
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    This has never been amended, so it stands tall just like it did when the Constitution was first adopted.
     

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