Kansas voters block effort to ban abortion in state constitutional amendment vote

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...-state-constitutional-amendment-vote-00049442

    The vote, which comes just six weeks after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, means Kansas will remain one of the few red states where abortion is legal. It also provides hope to abortion-rights supporters who are betting on ballot initiatives in other conservative states to restore or maintain access to the procedure.

    Turnout for the primary also soared above usual levels Tuesday, and in some counties was closer to the participation usually seen in a presidential election. The in-person early vote, which tends to favor Democrats, was also nearly 250 percent higher than the last primary midterm election in 2018, when both Democrats and Republicans had competitive governors’ races, while the number of mail-in ballots was more than double.

    This is what democracy looks like — I just hate that it took Republican politicians going full fascist (forcing women and children to have their rapists child — sick!). Women and youth are registering at levels never seen before and in places where abortion is put to a vote the people will vote to mandate women have bodily autonomy.

    Republicans have already moved from a full sweep in congress this year to possibly only one chamber or a small majority do you their anti-American extremism. I hope voters have seen what the Republican Party really stands for and what they will do if allowed into office.

    Republicans: Do you we should put this to a vote in every state and let the people decide?
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being Kansas, that must have been a lot of Republicans voting against the ban. That shows it's not a popular issue even within the party that's championing it.
     
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    So republicans lost the battle on the ballot box. Next they will try to pass a law banning abortion in its next legislative session in 2023.
     
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    It's really amazing how BOTH parties have developed an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws
    of victory ... the abortion issue was one of the few issues that could keep the Republicans from a giant sweep of both houses.
     
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    Or perhaps they'll finally realize that trying to take America back to the 1950s isn't a winning strategy where ever they try to do it?
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It obviously worked better as a threat than as an action.
     
  7. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Na, they will just double down like they always do

    They have never cared much for the will of the people
     
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    My bet is that all "banned abortion" state residents are going to nearby "pro-choice" states to harass women, girls and medical care providers that provide safe abortion services.

    Anti-choice people have listings in every phone book (paper and digital) listed under "abortion services" so they can torment anyone facing an unwanted pregnancy with guilt, hatred, ridicule and judgment. Most distraught pregnant females don't think to block their number when seeking help so they end up being stalked by the self-righteous that use that ruse.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is why I 100% support the second amendment, women should protect themselves from men that harass them.
     
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    I agree. However, it's not only men doing that. Sadly, some women are totally cool with living in a patriarchal society as second class citizens and chastise and blame other women.

    Do a Google search on the comments made during the 2016 POTUS election. There are many women that said they wouldn't vote for Hillary SOLELY because she's female. There are a million other reasons not to vote for her but her gender isn't one of them. /smdh
     
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    Republicans in Kansas will figure out some way to make this pesky election disappear. They’ll say it was all a fraud perpetrated by illegal votes. They claim to be the champions of democracy but only when it suits their purposes. When an election goes the wrong way for them, they are quick to resort to violence, as we all witness on January 6th.
     
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    Funny how liberals, who have been legislating from the bench for 60 years, don't like it when their ill gotten gains are taken away. This vote is how it should be done. But liberals are worried voting will not work with illegal aliens, climate change, or transgender crap.
     
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    So if the people decide what you agree with that is democracy. If the people decide what you do not agree with then it is not democracy......????
     
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    Hahaha! You posted something about women blaming other women then mention Hillary Clinton.....that is comedy gold! :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Liberals as talking heads are frequently citing opinion polls on issues - but only if the opinion polls agree with them. If the polls don't agree with them, then they don't give a **** about polls.
     
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    LOL! You are saying women are too stupid to use a call blocker. Do you think they are too stupid to know how they got preggers?
     
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    Lol look at that. What happened is exactly what we said would happen. Some states would vote for and some states would prefer against abortion and the voters had their say. That’s exactly what we wanted. Not what you wanted however lol

    Also a couple of things from your story. The idea that in-person voting is Democrats leaning is objectively false. Mail in voting favors Dems, in-person voting favors republicans.

    Nevertheless I’ll point out to you that in the same election you’re claiming the republicans got admonished, those same people voted in Trump’s endorsement by a relatively large margin in a very crowded field.

    So in other words… this vote does not mean what you think it means.
     
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    It was not just the abortion issue - it was the breakneck speed at which rights were snatched and trampled. Sorry but I have been predicting this for some years now - that it would take overturning RvW and the unfortunate death of young women to codify abortion rights beyond change.

    The actions of republicans and the overly restrictive legislations they have enacted, have I think shocked even some “pro-lifers”. So many pro-lifers only focused on “saving the baby” and a vast majority did not realise how fraught pregnancy could be
     
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    I think it means exactly what it is indicating

    The repiblicans, on abortion are like the dog that caught the car
     
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    That makes no sense. We engaged in a process which took power away from the federal government and gave it back to the states and their people.

    That means the states MUST vote on the issue unless they’ve already done so. Some states will vote for and some against. There will be “upsets” on both sides when those votes occur.

    But the reality is that as the people have their votes heard, they will realize more and more this “Handmaids tale” horror scenario the Dems have been pushing is utter nonsense.
     
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    But your actions are not confined to the individual states. People look at a state like Texas - they hear the stories about women having to carry a dead foetus, children being raped and having to go out of state, women bleeding to death from miscarriages whilst doctors discuss with lawyers whether or not she is close enough to death to justify termination of the pregnancy under new and threatening statutes. They will not probably, remember which states this incidents happened in or even necessarily know what legislation is being proposed or has been enacted where. They DO know that Republicans have long been anti abortion and the legislation enacted by republicans is killing young mothers and mothers to be and forcing very young girls to carry rapists babies

    That is all it will take to tar all with the same brushes.

    one guarantee - the stories about women in peril will not stop coming
     
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    Actually, returning the abortion issue to the States is the perfect example of 'the will of the people' in action. This particular State exemplifies it even more.

    RvW was not law. It wasn't codified, or even attempted to be. It was not a 'Right' in the classic sense.

    I still wonder why people think that moving the abortion issue from Federal to State purview was somehow 'banning' it. It isn't. But it does work well for sound bites.....
     
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    They overplayed their hand and ended up looking authoritarian. Hard core Republicans are ok with authoritarianism, and politicians like DeSantis are counting on them, but many others don't like it. We'll see how it hashes out.
     
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    Then there is Kermit Gosnell.......
     
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    Who is the greatest example of what happens when abortion is unregulated. Gosnell operated outside the law because he was paying off officials to look the other way. Legalising abortion means it can be legislated and safe guards put in place
     
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