Kansas voters block effort to ban abortion in state constitutional amendment vote

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  1. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    A fetus is not a baby.

    I realise this is terribly complicated, but I am here to make it simple.

    Inside, fetus, outside, baby.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The people of this country — by a significant margin — believe a developing fetus should never overrule the rights of a functioning person.

    Y’all have just begun to see what is going to happen. Seriously, forcing children to have their rapists child, how did you think that would play out?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Basic rights should not be voted on — the right to self is one of the most basic rights upon which all others are built.
     
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    But in our Representative Republic, I think some areas will be overwhelmingly different than the majority of other states you note and just do things differently. I think it a good thing. Each state becomes something of an experiment where people get to live as they chose. Freedom.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    At the time of the Founding Fathers, you got legal rights with adulthood. But only if you were male and white. And if you weren't a property owner, well, sucks to be you.

    Our law is based on the idea of balancing competing rights and interests. There are a lot of parties involved in this, but what it boil down to is simplicity itself. You need a compromise.

    I don't much care where the date lands, as long as nobody gets screwed six ways to Sunday...
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That’s my issue. Republican politicians are pushing full on bans even for rape victims and then screaming Democrats want abortion all the way up to live birth even though it is an extreme minority of people that believe this.

    A compromise would be 12-14 weeks, no questions asked; after that a written statement from two doctors showing deformity or non-viability.

    But these people wanting to force women to have their rapists child — that is just evil.
     
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    Or a 10 year old raped by her daddy.

    Barbarians.
     
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    The federal govt never mandated any abortions on anyone.
    All R v W did was give any woman in every State, the opportunity. NO ONE was/is ever force to have an abortion. Period.
     
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    So 3% (approximately) of the States do not permit abortion because of rape. How long do you believe that will stand?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I have learned anything over the past decade it is that I have no idea where this country will be next year.

    So I have no idea
     
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    Because dehumanizing the victim of an atrocity is necessary. This is why you and others make this distinction. The Nazis dehumanized the Jews. Democrat slave owners dehumanized blacks and so on.
     
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    Well very few Repulican politicians are pushing abortion bans yet you said it. The bottom line it's a great day, the overwhelmingly republican electorate in Kansas rebutted the anti abortion bill. That's a good thing right? Don't get in the republican leaders bs, because you have no clue who runs the republican party in Kansas. Somethings should be above partisan BS, this is one of them.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many states do you believe are pushing life at conception bills with little to no exemptions?

    Hell NC has one that wants to execute the mother if she gets an abortion
     
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    Why republicans had to be the ones who shunned this ban? You're talking about a state that's 2 to1 Republican, Dems couldn't pass crap on their own in Kansas. Unlike the Dem controlled House, Senate and Presidency, which could've fixed it in the 6 week period from the leak to the decision. They instead wanted a political talking point.
     
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    Have no clue, but it's one thing for a hyper partisan to propose something, completely another to have a bill that's likely pass. I don't give a crap about every OHMYGOD article because some idiot politician proposes a total ban just like I don't give a crap about a hyper partisan introducing abortion until birth. This example should make you happy, it's a red red state rebuking a ban, yea for women, not yea for partisan politics pot stirrers.
     
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    Please name these politicians you keep referring too and stop acting like it's a republican stance.
     
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    Great Post

    I agree 100% that the right may have just handed the dems the biggest gift in political history if they put this on the ballots in states.
     
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    How many states do you believe will allow a voter referendum?

    Let’s put it to a vote in every state
     
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    I bet you would allow the right to keep and bear arms to be voted on, in a ****ing heartbeat.

    You keep screaming democracy, well you got it.
     
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    Religion is not allowed in the law, and your assertion is based entirely on religion.

    It's also a little crazy..
     
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    Those were not insults, they were observations.
     
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    Neither can survive on their own. Hey, it was YOUR imbecilic test for legalized murder.
     
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    Nope, it is historical fact.
     
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    Yes voters, not pols. And I was responding to and talking about the national ban Mitch McConnell wouldn't rule out a few weeks back. Wanna bet that's on the backburner after last night?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3480725-mcconnell-says-national-abortion-ban-possible/

    "Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview with USA Today that a national abortion ban is “possible” if Roe v. Wade gets overturned this summer.

    “If the leaked opinion became the final opinion, legislative bodies — not only at the state level but at the federal level — certainly could legislate in that area,” "
     
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