Kanye West suspended from Twitter after posting swastika inside the Star of David

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  1. Esau

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    Something never told about Hitler because it doesn't fit the narrative. if we are to demonize Hitler we should also demonize America's founding fathers who kept black folk in perpetual slavery for hundreds of years not to mention the white Jewish Europeans in America whom also kept thousands of so called African Americans in perpetual slavery for centuries.
     
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    I'm afraid that if we were to demonize everyone who in any way benefited from the world's slave trading history there would be no one left to point fingers.

    I suppose that all of us have something that was made by someone who was in some way enslaved.

    Finally, in all fairness, I think that you may tend to minimize the role of African Blacks in the South and North American Slave trade.

    Without their cooperation there would have been no slave trading.

    No one denies that it was and is an abhorrent practice but I doubt that George Washington would have entrapped his neighbors and sold them to foreigners.

    Thanks,
     
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    I looked on some articles in the site you recommened: https://www.inconvenienthistory
    It reminds me a book read some years ago which explains how good Stalin and Soviet army was, how they help poor people, they even helped wounded German soldiers. Book was very interesting, but I knew some people who were in contact with famous Soviet army, so decided to trust people I new.
    Thanks God/evolution today nobody can force us to trust anything - I prefer to believe to Western academia, but you of course can trust https://www.inconvenienthistory

    Good luck!
     
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    His ex wife said that in 2020 I believe.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    California unclassified the swastika as a hate symbol some time ago, because prior to being appropriated by the nazi's, the swastika was a sun symbol and protection symbol in various Eastern cultures for thousands of years, as well as a symbol for good luck in some Native American cultures. In fact its generally recognized that the swastika oriented with its 'points' to the N-S-E-W is the 'nazi symbol' and the swastika with its points oriented to 45 degrees from that are not, though in both cases, there are exceptions. The symbol Ye posted has the 45 degree (original, non-nazi) swastika inside the star of david. However, thats not even what it really is.

    The symbol Ye posted is the Raelist logo, which has been historically criticized for their logo despite a lack any demonstrable racist or nationalist ideology.

    Raëlism
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    The Raëlian symbol
    Type New religious movement
    Classification UFO religion
    Scripture Main: Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers
    Minor: Sensual Meditation, Let's Welcome the Extra-terrestrials, Geniocracy, Yes to Human Cloning and The Maitreya
    Polity Episcopal
    Planétaire guider Raël
    Associations ARAMAIS
    Clitoraid
    Clonaid
    NOPEDO
    Order of Angels
    Region Worldwide
    Headquarters Geneva, Switzerland[1]
    Founder Raël
    Origin 19 September 1974
    Auvergne, France
    Embassy 50+
    Members 100,000 (2018)
    Other name(s) Raëlianism and Raëlian movement
    Official website rael.org

    Raëlism - Wikipedia

    Raelism
    Founder: Claude Vorilhon
    Founded: 1974 in France

    Raelism is a UFO cult that believes the gods and angels were aliens they refer to as Elohim. These aliens misled humans to trick them into believing they were angels and gods. Our lives are supposedly created by this alien species. The group often uses the swastika as a symbol in spite of its connotations. However, the group does not appear to have racist sympathies and does change the symbol to promote goodwill in certain countries.

    Interestingly, Raelists sometimes call their religion “Intelligent Design for Atheists,” forgetting that Raelism asserts that the angels and gods do exist. They are just aliens. Other than flying in the face of some of the religions that helped birth it and offending individuals with symbolism that has taken on a horrible meaning, Raelists are pretty benign.

    Top 5 Active Cults Still Around Today - Historic Mysteries
     
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    Firstly, I didn't recommend the site: https://www.inconvenienthistory.

    I cited excerpts from an article written by Western historian, Veronica Clark, that apparently articulated facts that are inconsistent with what you've chosen to believe.

    The fact that there were about 150,000 Jewish soldiers in Hitler's military is a fact that has been studied by another Western historian, Bryan Mark Rigg(1) who also discovered that many of those Jewish soldiers rose to the highest ranks and earned some of Germany's highest honors with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

    Apparently, Clark and Rigg have related these additional facts which debunk the anti German propaganda that comprises the standard holocaust narrative on which the Holocaust Industry relies to extort $ Billions from today's Germans and $ Millions from American taxpayers to run Holocaust related theme parks.

    An additional fact that debunks the standard holocaust narrative is that some Jewish individuals rose to the high ranks in the Germany's National Socialist Party.(2)

    Imagine what would happen if these heavily repressed facts became public knowledge.

    Would the professionally deceived American public still support wasting $ 60 Million per year on the opulent yet grisly USHMM theme park?
    Would they still mindlessly absorb the relentless stream of anti German propaganda movies that are little different than earlier staged frauds? (3)

    How about you?
    You're right in that no one can force you to trust or believe anything in spite of the Holocaust Industry's frantic efforts to brainwash young American students with the fraudulent, anti German holocaust narrative.

    I try to remain open minded and objective about history's realities but are you willing to admit that there could not have been a genocidal German agenda if so many Jewish individuals were among Germany's military and political institutions?

    Thanks,


    (1) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587

    EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED


    (2) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (3) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED
     
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    Staged how? Are you claiming it didn't happen, was over-exaggerated, etc? Staged is not a very descriptive term. The link provided for the quote doesn't elaborate as well, likely due to it being a bunch of complete nonsense. Especially when you take into account the article doesn't account for concentration camps liberated by other forces of the allied army such as Russia. Kind of destroys the narrative....I have post cards that my Grandpa personally picked up from a shop outside of Buchenwald Camp in Weimar showing piles of bodies being shoved into an oven. We have physical and testimonial evidence from survivors.
     
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    I've read that there were up to 100 million civilian deaths during the world war. That amount of bodies cannot be buried respectfully. It likely got to the point where whole villages were simply dumped in a great big pit. Americans have never experienced such things so Ican understand it's hard for y'all to comprehend but we in Europe lived through this, entire cities raised to the ground, all over Europe. Think Ukraine now, that was Europe for 50 years.
     
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    As a combat Veteran who has seen much of the 3rd world both in and out of military service, I can appreciate the many blessings we Americans take for granted.
    It is for that reason that I strongly oppose sending our young men and women to distant hell holes to die for causes not in America's clearly defined best interests.

    Thanks for your reminder.
     
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    You recommended to read an article from https://www.inconvenienthistory.com so I checked what kind of information this side is recommending. What I found stands in a big contradiction what I learned from conventional historians, for example – one book is claiming that the reason Jews were closed in ghettos, was because Jews attacked German soldiers.

    Another book claims that the only reason Germany invaded Poland was a genocide of a German minority in Poland. Of course you can believe that all Western university included Germans conspired to lie about Germany, but I tend not to believe in conspiracy theories, at list on this scale.

    As to the article of Veronica Clark – I didn’t find any information about her education or academic research, but what I found contradict information I know from other sources.
    For example:
    “In a telephone interview with German World War II survivor “G” (his identity is being protected), I was informed for the first time that foreigners who were working under “forced labor” contracts in Germany were essentially as free as Germans themselves.” - absolutely not. There were documented cases were slave workers were executed when found too far from workplace or accused for having relations with opposite sex. If a slave worker worked on a farm, everything depended on the slave owner, and there were cases when slave owners protected their slaves.

    “Foreigners were paid for their work and allowed to bring their families to live in Germany with them.” – nope, at least not in Poland. German swept the street, pickup strong and healthy men and women and sent them to Germany.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Łapanka

    As to non Arian serving in German army – yes, after Germans started to lose the war, they tried to conscript anyone, even violent criminals:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirlewanger_Brigade

    As to "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" by Bryan Mark Rigg it is very well know fact. German decided to murder all pure Jews but decided to spare people half and quarter Jewish descent - which they called Mischlinges. Many Mischlinges served in the German army hoping it will save their Jewish parents/grandparents – in most cases it didn’t. I read diaries of some – they fought for Germany, and when they had few days pass to visit parents – they found they Jewish parents/grandparents were send to death camps.

    There was one protest in Berlin of German women to stop sending Jewish husbands to the death camps:
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-rosenstrasse-demonstration-1943
    or
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest

    Mischlinges had no other choice but to serve in the German army, the same as today Russians who disagree with invasion of Ukraine must serve in the Russian army,
    For pure Jew to serve in the German army or not to be sent to the death camp, some very high German figure had to vouch for them, and sometimes they did:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling#Reclassification_procedures
     
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    You've asked several questions and I'll try to answer them as best as I can.

    First of all, I do not believe that the holocaust didn't happen but I've repeatedly shown that it was and is grossly exaggerated in other threads

    Some people think that only the "other" side uses propaganda but what America's propaganda ministry, the OWI (Office of War Information) working with Hollywood(1) and the fledgling Holocaust Industry were and continue to crank out makes Goebbels look like an amateur.

    First, the WW 2 era German work camps, like the rest of Germany, were in the worst condition ever toward the end of the war. It was impossible to resupply any of the camps with essential, food, medicine and insecticide to kill the typhus bearing lice.
    The Red Cross blamed the Allies for destroying civilian supply lines and prohibiting the delivery of food parcels to inmates. (2)

    Bergen Belsen, for example, had over 15,000 typhus deaths AFTER being captured by the British. The German run work camps were not "liberated", they were simply repurposed and filled with German POWs & civilians who were tortured and/or murdered by Jewish monsters like Salomon Morel and other Communist NKVD thugs.

    Re:
    You're right, it's not very specific.

    The Allies had plenty of time and resources to prepare the captured German camps for complicit Hollywood professional propagandists. For example, many of the dead bodies were German POWs and civilians shipped from Eisenhower's true death camps.

    Trusting yet gullible tourists visiting Auschwitz are shown a pile of old shoes and are supposed to assume that they belong to murdered victims. Underneath the pile is a plywood pyramid to make the pile look bigger. What tourists are not told is that Auschwitz also had a shoe repair facility for neighboring villages and those shoes were simply dropped off to be repaired, not evidence of mass murder.

    Those are just two examples of how Hollywood, the OWI and the Holocaust Industry have succeeded in deceiving so many people.
    Since the Red Cross, the most impartial source, found no evidence of genocide, homicidal gas chambers or systematic extermination of Jews, the very profitable holocaust narrative cannot be true.

    Re:
    The only physical evidence the Holocaust Industry has had to offer has been fake "human skin lampshades, fake "human fat soap", shrunken heads from Africa and other fraudulent props.

    As far as eyewitness testimony goes, not one of the thousands of people interviewed by the Red Cross made any mention of homicidal gas chambers or genocide and the following excerpt is typical of the many holocaust survivors who lie for fame and fortune:

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED (3)

    Since the Holocaust Industry has been repeatedly caught coaching "witnesses" to lie and engaging in fraud (4), (5), I tend to believe the impartial Red Cross.

    Thanks,


    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (2) “RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story.”

    https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/

    EXCERPT “They found No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews, and blamed most of the deaths on the “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Transportation Infrastructure in Germany By the U.S and U.K., which led to mass starvation, Typhus, and Death of the Civilian Population and in the Labor Camps which couldn’t get food, Medicine or any supplies at all. They called it a War Crime!” CONTINUED


    (3) “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html


    (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (5)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    From where did you get Moshe Peer, William Lowenberg, Yankel Wiernik and other stories, can you post a link?

    Here is what I found about Red Cross:
    https://www.icrc.org/en/document/icrc-wwii-holocaust
    So it looks that Red Cross 1948 ICRC Report was based on the same evidence, as report of some Western journalists that Ukrainian Hlodomor never happened.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial
     
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    I've been busy lately and was getting ready to respond to your previous Post to me when I noticed this one so I'll start with this one.

    Re:
    I simply did some research on the individual listed and have read about their stories in sources other than:
    “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    Irene Zisblatt's story is pretty widely known and, along with many other physically impossible ones, is accepted as valid throughout MSM sources.
    The book stores are littered with countless fraudulent Holocaust survival stories:

    "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED

    Even Elie Wiesel said:
    “Some stories are true that never happened.”

    Re:
    Due to overwhelming post war pressure from Zionist and Jewish special interest groups and political fallout from the Nuremberg "Trials", the Red Cross was forced to omit and/or alter many of its earlier findings

    "International Red Cross Report Confirms the Holocaust of Six Million Jews is a Hoax"(*)
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/inte...ort-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/

    EXCERPT “In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatsoever of ‘gas chambers’.

    The original 1946 edition did not even talk of ‘extermination’ or ‘death camps’ but after the emotional impact of the Nuremberg trials the Red Cross felt compelled to introduce into the expanded 1948 Report several, very cursory references to ‘death camps’ (Vol. 1 p. 641) and ‘extermination camps’ (Vol. I p. 645).
    However, no means of ‘extermination’ is indicated.

    In all its 1,600 pages the three-volume Report does not even mention such a thing as a
    ‘gas chamber’.

    It acknowledges that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but’ its complete silence
    on the subject of ’gassings’ is ample refutation of the ‘Holocaust’ legend.”CONTINUED
    (*) To be clear, I do not believe that the Holocaust is a hoax.)

    Re:
    I have not read anywhere that the Red Cross denied that the Holodomor happened. The Red Cross did offer to supply Holodomor's victims food parcels but that offer was refused by the Communist regime.

    I'll respond to your previous Post as time permits.

    Thanks,
     
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    This copy/pasted denialist garbage again?
     
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    I wrote: "To be clear, I do not believe that the Holocaust is a hoax".

    How much more direct can I be?

    I wish that you would point out what I have written that is demonstrably false.

    Thanks,
     
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    Yet your actual content and your previous posts points in the other direction. Did you copy/paste those things before just to say you thought they were historically illiterate? If so, we have found some agreement. If not, then yes, you are supporting the idea that the Holocaust is a hoax. That is, after all, what your own links point to.
     
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    When it comes to 20th century European history, I attempt to stay objective, keep an open mind and use whatever critical thinking skills I may have while simply looking at the facts where ever they may be.

    That's why I asked you to point out whatever I have written that is demonstrably false so I can better understand what it is, specifically, you want to know.

    Re:
    No, but I rarely agree with everything any single source states and I can count on USHMM, Wikipedia and most MSM to have a grossly inaccurate anti German bias.

    What is most important is the truthfulness of what I write since, after all, I am not the topic of this or related threads.
    That's why I asked you to point out whatever I have written that is demonstrably false.
    Can you?

    Thanks,
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    And you subscribe to west's opinions.
    Seems your beef should be with Elon then.
     
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    Makes me wonder what the line in the sand would be for Trump tweets.
     
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    I agree - I'm not 'angry' with West. But I also won't make excuses for him. What I don't understand is why people continue to interview him and give him a platform.
     
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    Bipolar, OCD, they're all scams.theyre merely ppl who were raised with bad parents/no parents
     
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    Because he's a proper role model for the black community. Not some step n fetchit sucker
     
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    Some of us actually take mental health seriously. But you do you.
     
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    Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. West is no role model - for anyone.
     
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    I've done so several times before, and I've pointed out inconsistencies in your arguments when it comes to this topic.
     

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