Kasich: 'Ballgame is over' if I get 'smoked' in NH

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  1. MMC

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    Well Kasich is out telling it.....like it is. So I think we can expect to see Kasich drop out after New Hampshire. One and done. He says he won't consider being a VP. What say ye?



    John Kasich pinned his presidential campaign's future on New Hampshire in a new interview where he said he'd drop out if he struggles during the state's February primary.

    "If I get smoked in New Hampshire, then you know kind of the ballgame is over...because then it becomes very hard to raise money," Kasich said during an interview on WABC Radio's "Election Central with Rita Cosby."

    Kasich sits in third place in New Hampshire, according to RealClearPolitics' average of recent polling, less than 2 points behind Rubio, but 19 behind Trump. He has devoted most of his resources to the early state and has held more events in the state than any other active candidate except Christie, according to New England Cable News' candidate tracker.....snip~

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...kasich-ballgame-is-over-if-i-get-smoked-in-nh
     
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    CJtheModerate New Member

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    According to the RCP Average, he's in third place. If he holds on to that position, he could become a real contender for the establishment vote.
     
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    I suppose it matters what he considers to be "smoked." He's sitting in third place right now behind Trump and Rubio. I wouldn't call that "smoked" in a large field of candidates, particularly at this early stage in the process, and I don't think he does either. He said in the linked article:


    I'm not backing Kasich, but I do see him as one of the more sane Republican candidates and more likely to garner independent voters' votes than Trump or Cruz.
     
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    Not surprising. He seems like a decent man, but he was big on generalities and very light on concrete proposals. The thing I remember about him in the debates is that he would answer questions by telling what he did in Ohio, but not what specifically he wanted to do in the country to solve specific problems. I went to his website, clicked on issues, and looked at some of the categories, and it was the same thing. A lot of talk about Ohio and a lot of generalities. I don't think you can run on just being a nice guy, some nebulous generalities, and by telling how great you were in your own state. You don't get remembered that way.
     
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    Long overdue. He's the epitome of why Trump is so popular.

    Get out, John. We don't want you!
     
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    Greetings, MMC.

    1. At this point, everyone is behind Trump in polling, so I don't think that's an issue, and he is in third place out of 15 candidates.

    2. Kasich is, without a doubt, the most qualified candidate in this race, having worked in both DC government and the business arena. If he were more outrageous and bullying in his demeanor, would people like him more, since this looks like it's turning out to be another personality contest? We've living through one of those - could we survive another one? I want a leader who has proven himself, not a egotistical tyrant, as POTUS!

    3. I don't know if he would accept a VP position - it would depend upon who the POTUS is, I guess.
     
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    Well Rubio and Cruz are getting a bump from the Debate. Which will continue on thru the week. He isn't in the top 5 with Iowa and Christie is getting a nudge in NH. I don't see how he will gain any more ground.

    It was figured that he would be all in with NH once he decided to run.
     
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    Rubio might get a bump, but Cruz was utterly destroyed in that debate.

    Christie was in third place a few weeks ago. Now, he's in fifth.
     
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    I would agree that he doesn't seem to have the personality to pull it off. Trump jumping in was a major game changer for him and his campaign.

    He definitely would be the more qualified candidate than the others.

    He said he isn't considering any VP run. Maybe somebody can get him to think about it......need Ohio and Florida to win.
     
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    Yeah now he is, both Cruz and Kasich up on him by 2. But I think that margin of error is closer than that. From the debate he will get a slight nudge.
     
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    He would be a valuable VP to Trump because he could deliver Ohio. But he hates Trump so I don't see it happening.
     
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    Kasich is one I could have supported. Its like I said before, I don't have a horse in this race yet. But I know whom I will not vote for. Whom ever is the GOP nominee must win Ohio, if not Hillary will end up being president. So I look at this more from a numbers perspective than an ideological one, but you already know that.

    Its a shame he has ruled out the VP slot. I think the most formable duo to take on Hillary would a combination of Rubio and Kasich. They would assure Ohio and Florida end up in the GOP column. But very few look through the numbers glasses, it is purely ideological.
     
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    What's Trump going to say after losing the first primary - where he trails by a lot?

    So far, Trump's most frequent retort has been that his opponents are losers (as shown by the polls).

    What will he say when HE is the loser?
     
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    bye bye, suckers!
     
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    He will say forget about Iowa look at NH, he is leading there. Then he will say were winning huge.
     
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    Lol - probably true.

    But there are going to be weeks where he can't make his central retort.

    That could be good, as Trump should be giving answers rather than trying to shut people up with his poll numbers.
     
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    Seriously? Kasich is real big in generalities and light on specifics???????

    What does that make Donald Trump?!
     
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    I think that's what he's aiming for.

    Remember that New Hampshire doesn't have that many delegates, but it is not a winner take all state.

    Kasich on the scoreboard might attract some donors, perhaps his old buddy Rupert Murdoch.
     
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    I still haven't seen any big money get behind him.....nor any major endorsements.
     
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    What happens if Hillary gets indicted or one of her people, and the Demos have to Run Biden or Kerry playing catch up in the game?

    That would change up that math with the Super Delegates.

    Do you think the left has figured out that the Demos wont turn Socialist with the Sandman?
     
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    Touche`, Sir.
     
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    Yes, this is an interesting primary from some of the technical perspectives.

    One has to wonder how RNC will change things in the future, as their control and the control of major contributors has seemed to be almost irrelevant - something they surely hate.
     
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    LOL, funny thing is Sanders over the months has done better than Clinton against any of the potential GOP nominees. Notice how bad Sanders beat Trump in the last two or most recent polls.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    Now that doesn't mean he would if he became the nominee. What it means is Clinton has a high unfavorable rating among independents around 55% give or take a few points depending on the polls. Sanders unfavorables has been running around 30%. But then again not that many voters has given him a close look see.

    I would think if something happened to Clinton such as criminal charges or something akin to that, the Democrats would turn to Biden. I doubt they would stick with either Sanders or O'Malley although they would be the only two official candidates left. Now depending if and when something would happen to Clinton, deadlines for quite a lot of the primaries and caucuses has past or soon will be past. Thus not Biden, Warren or whomever wouldn't be allowed to be on the ballot. Depending on when the deadlines are.

    So it is feasible only Sanders and or O'Malley could rack up delegates in the primaries. That is a whole bunch of what Ifs. Then the question becomes not only with the Super Delegates and the PLEO's, but what about the delegates won by Hillary in the caucuses and primaries. I suppose she would have to release them. Then do they go to the candidate who won the state via the voters or do they become free agents.

    But I highly doubt the Obama justice department would ever bring charges against Hillary. the Democrats have way too much invested in her and as you state, charges brought would leave the Democrats in disarray.

    Filing deadlines here: Scroll down to them.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Important_dates_in_the_2016_presidential_race

    The filing deadlines has passed in Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, D.C., Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia. The following states have a deadline before 31 January 2016, Alaska, Colorado, Kentucky, Mississippi, Rhode Island, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

    So whomever steps in be it Biden, Warren or some one else would have only a hand full of states where they could get on the ballot.
     
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    At least he knows the writing on the wall.
     
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    Update: Kasich in the game. Lands 3 More newspaper endorsements in NH.

    John Kasich optimistic about New Hampshire chances, picks up endorsements: John Kasich in the news.....

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    Kasich of late has been polling better in New Hampshire and over the weekend he picked up endorsements from three more New Hampshire newspapers -- The Nashua Telegraph, Foster's Daily Democrat and Portsmouth Herald.

    The Nashua paper called Kasich a "pragmatic problem-solver" with executive experience. The other two newspapers note Kasich "is not the flashiest candidate in the field," but say he's best qualified because of his effective leadership as a congressman and governor.....snip~

    http://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/index.ssf/2016/01/john_kasich_optimistic_about_n.html
     

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