Kenosha police union gives its account of Jacob Blake shooting

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    That won't happen. Everyone in my family is smart enough to know the time to fight injustice by the Police is in the courtroom not on the street.

    I'm dark skinned Portuguese, all I did was follow their instructions and I'm still alive. Back in the 1980's I was in the all night Laundromat. Two guys with a knife came up to me on the sidewalk when I was carrying my laundry to the car and demanded my wallet and car keys. I pulled my firearm and pointed it at the one closest to me and told him if he wanted to live to throw his knife in the storm drain, he complied. They then turned and ran off. I went back in to get the rest of my laundry. Someone in the bar across the street called the cops telling them I was robbing two guys, they saw my gun but not the knife. Two cops came in the back door and one in the front all with guns out. I put my hands up and leaned against the dryers as instructed. I told them I was armed, I have a permit to carry. The cop that frisked me took my nickel plated firearm and just threw it on the concrete floor. As angry as I was, I went with the program till they let me go after checking my permit the storm drain and the knife was there. I told the cop that threw my gun on the floor that his department would pay to fix any damage. I had the gun completely refinished at S&W and sent the PD the bill. When they didn't respond, I filed a lawsuit in small claims. They just paid me before the court date. The firearm came back looking better than it was to begin with. The cop must have had other complaints as he was assigned to the school police.

    The time to fight is in court, not on the street. Play stupid games with the Police and win stupid prizes.
     
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    :police: The insider word around Langley says that it's Putin personally who's behind the rioting and that it was a Russian spy wearing a police uniform and American-issue firearm and bullets who did the shooting. In fact (the CIA continues), there has never ever been an unlawful shooting on Ameican soil that wasn't perpetrated by either the Russians or the former Soviet Union. :machinegun:But I guess we knew that already.
     
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    Outstanding.

    I have only needed to use a gun once to defend myself.

    I had a rare morning off from school.

    I slept in late, and took a shower about 9am.

    While in the shower I hear loud banging on my apartment door.

    I dry off and am thinking who could be at my door-it couldn't be a bill collector, and it couldn't be the apartment staff.

    As I left the bathroom, I grabbed my humble pistol.

    I could hear someone was putting a key into the door.

    I was ready and as the door opened the door.

    I was aiming my pistol with my strong hand and I saw 4 very short hispanic men stacked up to enter.

    The front guy saw me and gun and jumped a foot in the air as he pushed backwards against the other thugs behind him. They all turned and sprinted down the stairs tripping over themselves.

    First I locked up and called the apartment front desk. I asked if there was an inspection or something and they said no.

    I told them what happened and they just said "oh".

    I called the police and they said unless there is evidence or someone was injured it wasn't worth a police report. (upon reflection I disagree)
     
  4. TCassa89

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    In this case the police union’s claim is not consistent with state investigators. One claims that Blake was armed with a knife, and the other says he was not.

    but perhaps if he was guilty of X or Y crime prior, the police don’t need to claim self defense to shoot him. I guess that’s how the justice system is supposed to work
     
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    The inconsistencies are troubling. I believe they are doing it for protecting the officer in question. This is just one more reason why I don't like the immunity clause for police officers.
     
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  6. Pollycy

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    And what, Gawd, has your post got to do with ANYTHING? :lonely:

    You refuted NOTHING that is in the police report. You offered NOTHING to explain why Jacob Blake launched this knife attack against the police after causing a 'domestic-violence' issue . You offered NOTHING but a weird, disjointed screed about people being "skinned alive" or hypothetical scenarios about police shooting someone for stealing, and vague injustices in "that system". Question: why was Blake trying to fight the officer with a knife?! Got a suitable answer for that?

    We rarely share the same opinion about most things, but you were REALLY off the rails in this post, Gawd. I suggest that you organize your thoughts, focus on reality, focus on the facts that were germane to this situation of a knife-fighting perp in Wisconsin, and do a better job of stating your case next time.... 8)
     
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    1980’s called, they want their ridiculous ad hominem back!

    I love the internet. The place where people can claim anything they want to claim and be anybody they want to say they are.
     
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  8. Josephwalker

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    Fighting with cops attempting to arrest you, ignoring orders to stop and reaching into your car for an unknown object will get you shot every time
     
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    Cops are trained to shoot until the suspect is down. It's amazing how many rounds the human body can take and still be capable of turning around with a weapon and opening fire themselves.
     
  10. Pollycy

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    Hey everybody -- look! An EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT! Tell us what REALLY happened, Cubed... since, obviously, you were there....

    Like I said, the rioters, looters, 'protesters' and others will deny the police account to the bitter end -- because they WANT it to be otherwise.

    People are getting sick and tired of the police constantly being unfairly and inaccurately slammed for all kinds of imaginary crap involving "racism", Cubed. Question: if Blake is so innocent, then why were the police called out to an out-of-control "domestic violence" incident that Blake HIMSELF caused in the first place? Do you think the cops go into these places and get involved in this kind of trashy sh!t just to have something to do...?! Let the trial begin!
     
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    This last part is troubling and something we can ALL agree on. May be a good job for an unarmed officer created in the "defund the police" movement to take and file the report the cop felt wasn't worth his time.
     
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    In this case the cop shoots 3 times, pauses, then shoots 4 more times. I highly doubt Jacob was a threat after the first 3.
     
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    You highly doubt? LOL
    The cop who's life was at risk thought different. Who has more credibility here?
    Fact is cops are restricted to calibers and bullets that do as little damage as possible and if bones are not broken or a major organ hit the human body can absorb a lot of lead with no immediate effect.
     
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    What immunity clause?

    This is a union doing what a union does for it's client

    Even if he was getting a knife, I fail to see how shooting him in the back was the correct response .... if he had gotten a knife and was coming at the officers ignoring commands that is a different thing all together
     
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    So the cop should have waited until the suspect picked up the knife, turned around in a split second and stabbed the cop with it?
    Also keep in mind they had no idea what he was reaching for. Could just as well been a gun.
     
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    Armed with a knife or reaching for a knife, aren't you sort of splitting hairs? Maybe the officer was supposed to wait until Blake had actually grabbed the knife, who knows. I think reaching for a knife is enough of a threat. Adding in other factors ---- like a car full of kids ---- and the scenario only gets worse for Blake. I'm sure as he lies in his hospital bed paralyzed, he's wishing he hadn't resisted arrest or reached for a weapon.

    If any good is ever to come of this, maybe he will turn his life around and become a motivational speaker to go to black communities and speak out against resisting arrest and violence against the police. But more than likely the BLM bullsh*t will rot his brain and he will live out his days as just another angry black man ranting against "the man" and refusing to admit the role he played in his own circumstances.
     
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    Self-Serving BS From the police union.

    I can wait for the results of the Official Investigation.
     
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    My opinion is that the number of shots fired was so high is because Blake was being shot in the back. If he was being shot in the front specifically where you are supposed to shoot to take down an attacker at center mass heart lungs area. From a report I read Blake got hit in the kidneys, liver, colon, and other organs that are not those that are needed to be hit in order to quickly stop an attacker. I am assuming that the cop was shooting with a 9mm. A 45 or at least a .40 is preferable, though a .40 cal is only marginally better than a 9mm but has more projectile mass. Others disagree.

    The fact that police found the knife still on the floor board is a bit bothersome. I would have preferred that he had his hand on the knife and was facing the officer. Of course it can be argued that if Blake had a gun he may have gotten a couple shots off. Still being shot in the front as an attacker would have been an open shut case.
     
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    Pretty much what needs to happen in the Kenosha case.
     
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    Kinda just tossing around that "executed" word to serve your agenda.

    We need to stop pretending like the guy was sitting there comply and the police just opened up on him. Thats how the situation would like to be represented by the left. That simply isn't what happened.

    My rationale, a piece of **** scum bag, winning stupid prizes, is far less to cry about than a cop who loses his life in the line of duty.

    I'm tired of all these scumbags of society being represented as wholesome working family man who was executed by cops in the street. Absolute BS.
     
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    Agree about the unsuitability of a 9mm weapon for police work... at minimum, I'd recommend a .357 mag, or, as you suggest a .45 or .40. A 9mm is really pretty worthless, IMHO, except as a 'pocket pistol', and for that purpose I'd really prefer the lighter, smaller .380 ACP semi-auto.

    Anyway, if I were a policeman and a violent perp was refusing to go peacefully, and started fighting me with a knife, or was about to, I know what I'd do, but, of course, I mustn't say it here....

    Oh, hell, I'll go ahead and say it anyway -- I'd hug him, and kiss him, and together we could sing a verse or two of "Kumbaya"! After that, if he went ahead and stabbed me anyway, at least he'd know that I wasn't a "racist".... And after all, that's way more important than stuff like "law and order".... :angel:
     
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    AS I understand it, there were no weapons in the officer's line of sight, and thus had no reason to fear attack, especially when there were children in the car.

    As I understand the rules of policing, a cop has to see a weapon, to react with fatal force, a cop can't just 'assume' there is one.

    But, I will await the outcome of the investigation.
     
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    You may want to revisit the story in the OP, part of which states (my emphasis added), "In Sunday's incident, Blake was "armed with a knife" and "forcefully fought" with officers, putting one of them in a headlock, Brendan Matthews, an attorney for the Kenosha Professional Police Association, said Friday, according to Kenosha News."

    Maybe this, uh, 'casts some light' on why a seasoned, experienced police officer might shoot a violent perp who was already the subject of a "domestic violence" situation.

    Also, you might want to look at Post #7 in this thread for some very disturbing insight into what the officers knew they'd be dealing with....
     
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    Dude, get real !!!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quali...ates, the,reasonable person would have known".
     

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