Kenosha police union gives its account of Jacob Blake shooting

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  1. Bluesguy

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    I heard it in a radio report, went to see if I could find it and couldn't, get distracted and meant to cut that out but didn't.

    And your piece was that he should have been put into a choke hold.........................ILLEGAL.............and then ignore what really happened. I get it you don't.
     
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    Produce the knife!
     
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    The investigators have the knife Blake confirms was in his pocession. Prove otherwise.
     
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    This is no contest, Blake was wanted for battery and sexual assault, broke a restraining order, fought with the police, resisted a taser, was armed with a knife and the officer shot him before he could stab him or his children. How can anyone complain?
    As for the number of shots, you shoot until the threat is over, if I remember one of the suspects in the 1986 Miami shooting kept fighting after being hit 11 times.
     
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    You would have let Blake just drive off? No sir, not me, I'm going to do what the cops did: wrestle him and tase, and if that doesn't work, I'm shooting him.
     
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    No Officers To Be Charged In Shooting Of Jacob Blake In Kenosha

    No police officers will be charged by the Kenosha County District Attorney’s office in the shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin this summer.

    Kenosha County District Attorney Michael Graveley announced the decision on Tuesday afternoon. He also said there will be no charges against Blake himself....

    ...Further, while many have said Blake was unarmed when Sheskey shot him, Graveley said Blake did, in fact, have a knife with which he armed himself while actively resisting. He said that is an incontrovertible fact to which Blake himself had admitted.

    Graveley said the officers called on Blake to drop the knife.

    Thus, Graveley said, the officers concluded they were dealing with an armed man with a felony warrant who had just forcibly resisted arrest and was now about to leave in a vehicle with at least one child inside...

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    Blake then opened the door of the vehicle and admitted to switching the hand in which he was holding the knife when doing so, Graveley said.

    The prosecutor said Sheskey reported his thought process was, “I can’t let him get in that car without being back in harm’s way.”

    Graveley also said while the video does not document it, officers and civilian witnesses saw Blake twist his body and move his right hand toward Sheskey as he held the knife.

    and more here
    https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/0...harged-in-shooting-of-jacob-blake-in-kenosha/

    So stated earlier the criminal caused himself to get shot. He committed several more crimes during the arrest on top of the felony warrants out on him for sexual assault and domestic violence Justice was served and properly so. The citizens of Kenosha should be celebrating the police who endangered themselves to get this criminal apprehended and of the street where he could not threaten anyone else. Will that happen? More likely the black community will be protesting or even rioting in honor of the criminal. Let's hope they don't burn down too much tonight, the National Guard has already been put on alert.


     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Are you still denying it?
     
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    There was no denial. It is who I chose to believe.Now we have the word of the police chief after the investigation was completed. I will accept his word that the officer was fearing for his life. That officer must have had some powerful fear to have had to discharge that many shots. I had said back then that I was not a fan of a 9mm for police. The minimum should be a .40 but a .45 would be better. There is no reason why the cop had to have had to discharge that many shots to take that guy down unless there was a drug involved.

    I did not accept any pro Trump members's word before and will not do so today, nor tomorrow.
     
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    ~ Actually it is amazing that Blake survived . :eekeyes:
     
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    Fools luck. But had he died it wouldn't have matter as far as justice in this case.
     
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    There was are you saying no more? And we had the evidence then the criminal admitted he had it. And number of shots doesn't matter as the DA explained today. You do what he did they are going to put you down no matter how many shots it takes and they don't shoot and wait and shoot and wait these things happen in seconds.

    So justice done.
     
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    No, you said you had the evidence what you say does not make it a fact.
    The number of shots is something that bothers me because I believe that the police are underpowered in caliber. That is a side issue for all cases.
     
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    Yea we had it at the time, he had a knife and brandished it at the officers. You admit he had one now?
     
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    I did not see the knife, I accept what the police chief said that the officer felt threatened .
     
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    "More powerful weapons for cops" isn't exactly a winning rallying cry in today's environment.
     
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    The police chief said that Blake had a knife. Hell, BLAKE said that Blake had a knife. Do you accept that too?
     
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    Again, I would refer you to the 1986 Miami FBI shootings and similar incidents, some people will keep fighting even after absorbing huge amounts of lead. We use 9mm, it's all a question of what load and shot placement and it's always a trade-off between calibre and magazine capacity. But you can get 13-shot 45s these days and even 357 semi autos in a practical size (so you don't have to be a Universal Soldier to use one).
     
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    Yes obviously shot placement is important. That is why the firing range instructor at boot camp jammed his index finger into the center of my chest and said don't listen to that shithead this where you you want to put your rounds. That was right after the guy next to me said in the head
     
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    Blake also claimed that he was putting the knife back in the car. What the video did not show was did Blake make a threatening move while his ( Blake's) back was turned and was it at thatbpointbthat the officer perceived an imminent threat so he fired into Blakes lower back as I recall it.

    This was not a clean or clear cut case.
     
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    The prosecutor (a democrat, btw) that reviewed the results of the investigation in detail seemed to think it was pretty clear cut.
     
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    It wasn't his car. He was in the process of stealing it when he got shot. What do you mean "putting the knife back in the car"? He told the cops that he kept the knife on his person, in his pocket, habitually.

    Here are some excerpts from the DA's report:

    And regarding the knife:

     
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    Apparently, this was a justified shooting of this multiple time felon. Your lack of knowledge of the capabilities of a modern 9mm round aside, cops are trained to shoot until the thread is completely stopped. I suggest he was a less than average marksman.
    Maybe the best lesson to be learned from this, just another case of idiots resisting arrest, when a cop tells you to stop, you stop.
     
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    Before you Schiest on my knowledge of anything ( which by the way you are pitifully wrong)!you need to learn about the law. The fact that a person is or is a felon be he a one time felon or multiple has no bearing during the course of any specific incident. In this case the only factor was did the police officer feel threatened by Blake during the incident. His prior status as a felon or not is not a factor.

    You are the one devoid of knowledge not I. You know not what my knowledge of weapons is and the issue is not me nor you but did Blake cause the police officer to feel threatened. Apparently Blake did therefore the police officer will not be charged.

    So stick to the issue of the thread and stop attacking other members with your BS Schiest of falsely and arbitrarily questioning others knowledge.
    I have told you in prior threads that if you have nothing intelligent to add to a thread do not pollute the air of this Forum with your Schiest.
     
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    The knife the criminal ADMITTED he had. That the police are CLEARLY ordering him to drop. Geezzzzz. Do you accept he was welding a knife?
     
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    1. You are the one injecting your "knowledge" of calibers and their ability to stop a criminal, not me. I was just there to tell you you are wrong in your assumptions. If you wish to continue that argument, take it over to the gun control section and start a thread. I will be happy to provide you with facts.
    2. The perp in question, being a prior felon was the very reason the cops were there in the first place. His prior record put the cops on notice he was a dangerous person.
    3. The law is one thing, what leads up to the law being in question is another.

    Telling other forum members they are full of BS is a violation of PF rules.
     

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