Kushner's "deal of the century" falls flat on it's face

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with resisting against those who ethnically cleansed 100.000's of people and think nothing of it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Murdering civilian women and children is the act of an animal. Not freedom fighters.
     
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    The Jews used snipers to kill children, the press, the elderly, the disabled, and paramedics.
    No Jews got prosecuted. That's how the Jews state is.
     
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    Saudis murder a reporter in their embassy

    No charges

    No removal of ambassadors

    That's how Muslim nations work
     
  5. notme

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    You accuse all Muslims now for what 1 government does? lol
    Bernard Madoff thieved 60 billion bucks or something... according to your logic, they are all like that.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did any Muslim nation withdraw their ambassador from Saudi Arabia?

    Did any impose sanctions?
     
  7. notme

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    Did any country? Seems you demand Muslims to be hold to a far higher standard than other people.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are many nations that occupy territory, but you only condemn Israel
     
  9. notme

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    So much for your withdrawing your ambassador point.
    So much for your sanction point.
    Total deflection now. lol
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its not a deflection, its an observation that israel is rightfully criticized while every other nation gets a blind eye.

    its ok, Jews are used to having a negative double standard applied to them

    they succeed and persevere anyways.
     
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    To name crap that happened in the Saudi ambassade when the topic is about women's rights in occupied territory.. is deflecting. And when you drop that, since no country put up sanctions against Saudi, you drop that too to start ranting about something else. That again is deflecting.
     
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    no sanctions against the Saudis.

    nobody cares.

    looks like a double standard.

    if Israel did this they would lose their seat at the UN
     
  13. notme

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    This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. You're deflecting all over the place.
     
  14. Pollycy

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    Yeah, 'testimony' from Sara Hossain... surely the most unbiased person you could think of to render a 'fair and balanced' report on "Occupied Palestine"...? :party:. :lol:

    Here's Sara with one of her 'buddies'....

    [​IMG]
     
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    According to who?
    recently 6 EU nations condemned the Jew state over what it does in Palestine at the UN.
    Seems the only one not fair and balanced is you.

    The US gave her an award here. That's how fair and balanced she is.
    Joke is on you.
     
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  16. EarthSky

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    So barbaric. You can see why Americans like the sanitized version of their own wars and violence that they see on TV - the beautiful missiles and all that. You don't have to actually see the blood or smell the rotting bodies.

    And how many women and children are killed by US sanctions alone? In Iraq it is hard to know the actual totals but the estimates range up to 400,000. Even ISIS as brutal as they are would be hard pressed to equal that.

    What about Israel's use of high tech modern weaponry and high ordinance on civilians mostly kids throwing rocks at tanks?

    Death toll from Protective Edge; 66 Israeli's - over 2100 Palestinians mostly civilians

    Death toll from Pillar of Defense: 13 Israeli's - close to 1500 Palestinians mostly civilians.

    And I'm not even including all the other wars such as the invasion of Lebanon or the US attacks on Latin American countries like Panama or even the false flag escalation in Vietnam.

    You can hate Chomsky because of his politics but you's have a hard time disputing his credentials or arguing his facts:




    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lawful-gaza-protest-killings-un-idUSKCN1QH14J

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...aeli-force-against-palestinians-idUSKBN1J935B

    Yes, the violence of ISIS in the territories it moved into after the US invasion of Iraq was terrible.

    Why is the violence we do to people okay??????

    Oh yeah, it's on TV so we don't see the bodies torn apart or smell the corpses rotting..........
     
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    Double standard.
    Jews can't fight to defend themselves.
    Arabs can fight dirty to defend themselves.

    I recall what one Israeli said after the Munich Massacre back in the 1970's,
    "What they do to us today they will do to you tomorrow."
    That's worth thinking about - he was talking to the international media. I used
    to wonder if that was true. Being young I thought I might live to see whether he
    was right or wrong. As it was he was right - Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS,
    Islamic Jihad, Taliban are among many of the curses facing Arabs and Persians
    today.
     
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  18. notme

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    Last time I checked, the Jews with the help of the west are violently oppressing the Arabs, and not the other way around.
     
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    clethnic cleansing of jews from the arab world.gif
    Last time I read the news Israel had created a massive wall, both above ground and below
    ground to stop Arabs crossing over to kill them. Doesn't sound like Jews oppressing Arabs
    to me.
     
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    there are Muslim nations that refuse to allow Palestinians to become citizens, buy homes, have government jobs.

    sounds like oppression
     
  21. Pollycy

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    Was that meandering, slopped-together post supposed to be some kind of defense of Islam murdering and abusing people in the name of its "religion" all over the world...?

    I'm not Jewish, and I value Israel primarily because it is the one consistently dependable ally the U. S. has in a vast part of the world in which there are nothing but monarchs, war lords, tribal chieftans, 'religious' madmen, and petty dictators. That said, I marvel at the restraint that Israel uses in dealing with the Palestinians. It is arguable that any other country would have wiped them out by now for their incessant, violent attempts to wipe Israel off the surface of the world....

    How long would YOU tolerate the presence of cockroaches in your kitchen...?
     
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    And they want to remove the arabs from the west bank and annex it without anyone giving a crap. Dont forget that part.
     
  23. Pisa

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    The reason why so few Israelis have died in rocket attacks has nothing to do with tech level of weaponry. Israel takes care of its citizens. There are bomb shelters everywhere - in every apartment building, neighborhood, mall, bank, public building, school, kindergarten, hospital, nursing home. Newer buildings are built with a private safe room in every apartment.

    Hamas, on the other hand, has done nothing to protect Gaza citizens from attacks. The bunker under the Shifa hospital is for Hamas leaders only.
     
  24. EarthSky

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    Nope, it was supposed to give you some context to put statements like "Islam murdering and abusing people in the name of its "religion" all over the world...?" in context. Of course, in your dogmatic rush to demonize Islam as the sole source of "religious" fanaticism and murderous abuse around the world, you are conveniently ignoring the history of violence and abuse of your own government and the destruction, death and suffering your own policies of covert and military operations all over the world from Latin America to Asia and the ME has caused.

    Truth is statistically you are more likely to be shot by your kid finding one of your handguns unattended that you are to be killed in an Islamic terrorist attack. But that fact doesn't fill the narrative of hate and fear that we must spread against Islam in order to justify our endless wars in their lands so it is hardly worth mentioning, right?

    The fallacy that Israel is using restraint in it's murderous and brutal occupation is just one of the many lies being propagated to justify that occupation. Israel uses brutal force and heavy ordinance largely supplied by America on a basically unarmed and captive population and randomly shoots women, children and even journalists in it's brutal rampages on the people of Palestine.

    Yes, dehumanizing people has long been a way of justifying the most brutal atrocities against them. There is a long history of this and comparing people to cockroaches is right up there with and of the other tropes that turn human beings into vermin.

    Change the word Palestinian for Jew and insert it into your statement and Goebbels would have been very proud of you.
     
  25. EarthSky

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    The reason so few Jews have been killed by rockets is because they are basically lick glorified fireworks and terribly inaccurate. Not a smart move to be throwing those at a country as heavily armed and manically brutal as Israel. I suppose it is mostly a symbolic gesture of contempt for the occupiers - sort of like children throwing stones at tanks.

    Israel has no bunkers for its IDF leaders and politicians only?
     

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